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USNEW Rankings & UG Business Programs

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  • GentlemanandScholarGentlemanandScholar 1214 replies14 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,228 Senior Member
    I'd say NYU is overated, but quakerman is the only one that ranks it so high.
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  • quakermanquakerman 231 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 231 Junior Member
    I really could care less what you think. you can cite all the subjective reputation scores etc you want but Stern SAT/gpa average speaks for itself.
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  • GentlemanandScholarGentlemanandScholar 1214 replies14 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,228 Senior Member
    Well, its not speaking to me, so maybe you could post it next to MIT's, Berkeley's, Penn's and Umich's?
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  • quakermanquakerman 231 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 231 Junior Member
    sterns SAT is higher than Penn, lower than Wharton and about 200 points higher than berkeley and mich. don't even put berkeley and michigan in the equation. one is infested with community college transfers, the other lives on past reputation. or are you one who when compared something like nyu law to mich law, ignores the huge discrepancy in lsat score and instead points to subjective areas like lawyer reputation? theres students who transfer into ross with 1100s and 1200s, so long as they do well in the pre-reqs. And I don't even like NYU, its a corporation that doesn't care about its students, but i'm perceptive enough to know it has a better student body quality than freaking michigan and berkeley. when i see lists of top high schools and see that their students choose ivy leagues and schools like nyu in great proportions and not schools like umich and berkeley, that means something. but yes, the great students of easy free As public high schools do choose places like michigan. It's whatever you want to think. Like I said, I don't even like NYU but the high school kids I know, which is what matters, almost unanimously would choose nyu.
    i'm not going to take the time to post SAT scores but you can see for yourself, and that will shut your mouth.
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  • Sam LeeSam Lee 9273 replies176 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 9,449 Senior Member
    quakerman,

    The average SAT for Stern's incoming freshmen (2005) was 1423. Berkeley's average was 1370 (2004). There's no 200-pt difference. By the way, you are comparing the best college at NYU to entire Berkeley. Wouldn't it be more fair to compare Stern with Hass, which still may not have the best Berkeley students--they are probably in the engineering school.

    For Berkeley's Hass, the average GPA of enrolled students from Berkeley itself was 3.64. My guess is students with 3.64 GPA at Berkeley are probably smart enough to score above 1423 on SAT when they were in HS. You mentioned about Berkeley being "infested with CC transfers"; just so you know, only 90 out of 1176 were offered transfer admission to Hass.
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  • AlexandreAlexandre 24268 replies431 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 24,699 Senior Member
    Quakerman, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that many Ross and Haas students have sub-1200 SAT scores. Michigan and Cal SAT scores are pretty equal to NYU and Ross and Haas are just as selective as Stern. You always seem to compare Stern to all of Michigan and Cal rather than compare Stern to Ross and Haas. I have no idea how you can do that when Stern only has like 2,000 undergrads compared to Michigan and Cal's 20,000+ undergrads.

    Only 10% of Michigan (not Ross but the entire University of Michigan) students scored under a 1200 on the SAT, and most of them are athletes and part of the school of Kinesiology. The remaining sub-1200 students are probably in the school of Nursing. At Cal, the mid 50% SAT range is 1200-1440, at Michigan, 1240-1400 and at NYU, 1220-1420.

    Ross does not publish SAT statistics because it accepts students who are already at the University of Michigan. However, only students in the 80th %ile or better at the University of Michigan get into Ross. 75%ile at the University of Michigan (again, the entire university, not Ross) is 1400. So it is safe to say that typically, only students who got 1400+ on the SAT get into Ross. The average successful Ross applicant is in the 90th %ile at the University of Michigan. In other words, the SAT range for Ross students is between 1400 and 1600, with only a handful with SAT scores under 1400. The mean SAT score is probably around 1470.

    Haas is similar to Ross in that respect.
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  • quakermanquakerman 231 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 231 Junior Member
    "Berkeley's average was 1370 (2004). "

    My friend attends there and says it is a 1290. actually post the stats for enrolled, not admitted students. I live in CA so I know just exactly how the UC system works, so you can't fool me.
    and your claim on ross is ludicruous. You think Michigan is this amazing school for some reason. It's filled with long island JAPs who were rejected everywhere out East so they go to Michigan because it's expensive. I wish I knew more students in Ross because i know your 1400-1600 claim is total horsecrap.
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  • redhare317redhare317 1393 replies56 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    It's tough to get into Ross compared to most other undergrad business programs because everyone at this point is a college student at a top 25 school. It's harder than competing with HS students. Also, the Ross application (I've seen it) is tougher than most college applications you fill out in senior year of HS. There's a lot more to put into it. Getting a 4.0 in most high schools is a joke, sometimes no effort needed. Now everyone must maintain a solid COLLEGE GPA before getting admitting to Ross, and you actually have to work. The standards are higher. Most people don't realize this. I had a 3.8 in HS, 1470 SAT. But I'm trying to get into Ross, and I'm barely expected to pull off a 3.5 this first semester in college. You shouldn't say that it's easier to get into Ross than other schools because it's not true. We're not in an easy HS anymore.
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  • AlexandreAlexandre 24268 replies431 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 24,699 Senior Member
    Quakerman, your friend at Cal obviously knows very little about his own school. The mean SAT score is well over 1300 at Cal.
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  • mahras2mahras2 1938 replies39 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,977 Senior Member
    It's filled with long island JAPs who were rejected everywhere out East so they go to Michigan because it's expensive.

    And NYU is different how......

    You could say:

    "It's filled with long island JAPs who were rejected everywhere out East so to stay here they go to NYU because it's expensive."
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  • quakermanquakerman 231 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 231 Junior Member
    no actually a lot of people choose NYU over better schools. Michigan is fine, but it's not this amazing school Alexandre makes it out to be. My brother is applying to college right now and a lot of the strong students are dying to go to NYU, but I never hear berkeley and michigan mentioned. I don't know, maybe this is a college confidential thing.
    redhare, you should try transferring to stern by taking every single stern class your 1st two years, a 3.3 would be exceptional, considering a 92% in macro/micro econ (the easiest class) is a B minus in stern while its an A in the college of arts in sciences.
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  • redhare317redhare317 1393 replies56 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    I did get into Stern, but I chose Michigan because Michigan gave me a lot of financial aid. Stern is great. I'm not saying Ross is better. In fact, my final two choices turned out to be either here or Stern. I just like Ann Arbor better and I see Michigan as a fit. I have to say that nobody considers Michigan that great where I'm from (east coast), while Stern is considered second to Wharton. Now I'm here, and it's the other way around. I guess there's regional bias, too.
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  • Sam LeeSam Lee 9273 replies176 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 9,449 Senior Member
    quakerman,

    It's not clear from the Stern's website that their stats are for those enrolled or admitted either. Well, I just found common data set for both schools so we can compare apple to apple.

    http://www.nyu.edu/ir/cds/
    http://cds.vcbf.berkeley.edu/

    2004-2005 data for NYU:
    25th Percentile 75th Percentile
    SAT I Verbal 610 700
    SAT I Math 610 710
    ACT Composite 27 31

    Percent of first-time, first-year (freshman) students with scores in each range:
    SAT I Verbal SAT I Math
    700-800 32.00% 29.80%
    600-699 50.20% 53.10%
    500-599 17.00% 16.10%
    400-499 0.80% 1.00%

    % in top-tenth: 63%

    Berkeley:
    25th Percentile 75th Percentile
    SAT I Verbal 580 710
    SAT I Math 620 740

    Percent of first-time, first-year (freshman) students with scores in each range:
    SAT I Verbal SAT I Math
    700-800 30% 47%
    600-699 41% 36%
    500-599 21% 14%
    400-499 7% 3%

    % in top-tenth: 98%

    It's true that Berkeley has more students with low score but it also has more students with high score. Doesn't that even things out for both? Note that Berkeley has quite a bit higher % with math>700 and a lot higher % in the top-tenth of their graduating HS class.
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  • GentlemanandScholarGentlemanandScholar 1214 replies14 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,228 Senior Member
    Quakerman,
    I know the student body at UMich and Cal don't have the quality of, say, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson, but they're certainly trying to recruit people of that caliber. Maybe they'll luck out and get Hillary Duff, but who knows. Don't get me wrong, NYU is a fine school, on par with Boston College or Rutgers, but you only make yourself look silly trying to put NYU in league with the big boys. By the way, congrats are in order, I hear Lindsey Lohan will be attenting NYU next year. Jeez, scholars of her level are intimidating!
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  • quakermanquakerman 231 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 231 Junior Member
    hahahaha. I think I struck a nerve with you. I guess I don't really even need to go further. I already know the facts and reality so it's not big deal to me. And the more hot girls at NYU, the better.
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