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USNEW Rankings & UG Business Programs

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  • AlexandreAlexandre 24280 replies434 threads Senior Member
    Quakerman, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that many Ross and Haas students have sub-1200 SAT scores. Michigan and Cal SAT scores are pretty equal to NYU and Ross and Haas are just as selective as Stern. You always seem to compare Stern to all of Michigan and Cal rather than compare Stern to Ross and Haas. I have no idea how you can do that when Stern only has like 2,000 undergrads compared to Michigan and Cal's 20,000+ undergrads.

    Only 10% of Michigan (not Ross but the entire University of Michigan) students scored under a 1200 on the SAT, and most of them are athletes and part of the school of Kinesiology. The remaining sub-1200 students are probably in the school of Nursing. At Cal, the mid 50% SAT range is 1200-1440, at Michigan, 1240-1400 and at NYU, 1220-1420.

    Ross does not publish SAT statistics because it accepts students who are already at the University of Michigan. However, only students in the 80th %ile or better at the University of Michigan get into Ross. 75%ile at the University of Michigan (again, the entire university, not Ross) is 1400. So it is safe to say that typically, only students who got 1400+ on the SAT get into Ross. The average successful Ross applicant is in the 90th %ile at the University of Michigan. In other words, the SAT range for Ross students is between 1400 and 1600, with only a handful with SAT scores under 1400. The mean SAT score is probably around 1470.

    Haas is similar to Ross in that respect.
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  • quakermanquakerman 231 replies0 threads Junior Member
    "Berkeley's average was 1370 (2004). "

    My friend attends there and says it is a 1290. actually post the stats for enrolled, not admitted students. I live in CA so I know just exactly how the UC system works, so you can't fool me.
    and your claim on ross is ludicruous. You think Michigan is this amazing school for some reason. It's filled with long island JAPs who were rejected everywhere out East so they go to Michigan because it's expensive. I wish I knew more students in Ross because i know your 1400-1600 claim is total horsecrap.
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  • redhare317redhare317 1393 replies56 threads Senior Member
    It's tough to get into Ross compared to most other undergrad business programs because everyone at this point is a college student at a top 25 school. It's harder than competing with HS students. Also, the Ross application (I've seen it) is tougher than most college applications you fill out in senior year of HS. There's a lot more to put into it. Getting a 4.0 in most high schools is a joke, sometimes no effort needed. Now everyone must maintain a solid COLLEGE GPA before getting admitting to Ross, and you actually have to work. The standards are higher. Most people don't realize this. I had a 3.8 in HS, 1470 SAT. But I'm trying to get into Ross, and I'm barely expected to pull off a 3.5 this first semester in college. You shouldn't say that it's easier to get into Ross than other schools because it's not true. We're not in an easy HS anymore.
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  • AlexandreAlexandre 24280 replies434 threads Senior Member
    Quakerman, your friend at Cal obviously knows very little about his own school. The mean SAT score is well over 1300 at Cal.
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  • mahras2mahras2 1938 replies39 threads Senior Member
    It's filled with long island JAPs who were rejected everywhere out East so they go to Michigan because it's expensive.

    And NYU is different how......

    You could say:

    "It's filled with long island JAPs who were rejected everywhere out East so to stay here they go to NYU because it's expensive."
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  • quakermanquakerman 231 replies0 threads Junior Member
    no actually a lot of people choose NYU over better schools. Michigan is fine, but it's not this amazing school Alexandre makes it out to be. My brother is applying to college right now and a lot of the strong students are dying to go to NYU, but I never hear berkeley and michigan mentioned. I don't know, maybe this is a college confidential thing.
    redhare, you should try transferring to stern by taking every single stern class your 1st two years, a 3.3 would be exceptional, considering a 92% in macro/micro econ (the easiest class) is a B minus in stern while its an A in the college of arts in sciences.
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  • redhare317redhare317 1393 replies56 threads Senior Member
    I did get into Stern, but I chose Michigan because Michigan gave me a lot of financial aid. Stern is great. I'm not saying Ross is better. In fact, my final two choices turned out to be either here or Stern. I just like Ann Arbor better and I see Michigan as a fit. I have to say that nobody considers Michigan that great where I'm from (east coast), while Stern is considered second to Wharton. Now I'm here, and it's the other way around. I guess there's regional bias, too.
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  • Sam LeeSam Lee 9273 replies176 threads Senior Member
    quakerman,

    It's not clear from the Stern's website that their stats are for those enrolled or admitted either. Well, I just found common data set for both schools so we can compare apple to apple.

    http://www.nyu.edu/ir/cds/
    http://cds.vcbf.berkeley.edu/

    2004-2005 data for NYU:
    25th Percentile 75th Percentile
    SAT I Verbal 610 700
    SAT I Math 610 710
    ACT Composite 27 31

    Percent of first-time, first-year (freshman) students with scores in each range:
    SAT I Verbal SAT I Math
    700-800 32.00% 29.80%
    600-699 50.20% 53.10%
    500-599 17.00% 16.10%
    400-499 0.80% 1.00%

    % in top-tenth: 63%

    Berkeley:
    25th Percentile 75th Percentile
    SAT I Verbal 580 710
    SAT I Math 620 740

    Percent of first-time, first-year (freshman) students with scores in each range:
    SAT I Verbal SAT I Math
    700-800 30% 47%
    600-699 41% 36%
    500-599 21% 14%
    400-499 7% 3%

    % in top-tenth: 98%

    It's true that Berkeley has more students with low score but it also has more students with high score. Doesn't that even things out for both? Note that Berkeley has quite a bit higher % with math>700 and a lot higher % in the top-tenth of their graduating HS class.
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  • GentlemanandScholarGentlemanandScholar 1214 replies14 threads Senior Member
    Quakerman,
    I know the student body at UMich and Cal don't have the quality of, say, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson, but they're certainly trying to recruit people of that caliber. Maybe they'll luck out and get Hillary Duff, but who knows. Don't get me wrong, NYU is a fine school, on par with Boston College or Rutgers, but you only make yourself look silly trying to put NYU in league with the big boys. By the way, congrats are in order, I hear Lindsey Lohan will be attenting NYU next year. Jeez, scholars of her level are intimidating!
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  • quakermanquakerman 231 replies0 threads Junior Member
    hahahaha. I think I struck a nerve with you. I guess I don't really even need to go further. I already know the facts and reality so it's not big deal to me. And the more hot girls at NYU, the better.
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  • GentlemanandScholarGentlemanandScholar 1214 replies14 threads Senior Member
    Yeah, hot girls make for a good school. That's why schools like NYU, Arizona State and Florida State are such beacons of higher education.
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  • UntiltedUntilted 1933 replies47 threads Senior Member
    i want to continue to take classes in UVa, but i really do wanna party in Arizona state on weekends..........seriously........

    that'd be sweeet. not that UVA parties are not good, it's just WHO BEATS ARIZONA STATE WHEN IT COMES TO PARTYING?
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  • guguruguguru 374 replies33 threads Member
    hey does n e one know y tepper isnt viewed that great by wall street. usnews, no matter how unreliable ppl say, posted tepper as 5th, and stern as 6th. and tepper is like 1st in quant analysis, which is good for ibanking or like hedge fund/trading type jobs, so shouldnt tepper be better?
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  • UntiltedUntilted 1933 replies47 threads Senior Member
    Tepper kids are very engineering-focused and technology-oriented. They are often recruited to do IT jobs (Information Technology) or other kinds of back-office-computer-analysis jobs. it';s like MIT, although MIT's got an amazing program, it doesnt get recruited by investment banks as often as its peers.

    investment bankers need to be aggressive, handsome, convincing and tough, and obviously brilliant.
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  • y17ky17k 699 replies127 threads Member
    Quakerman,
    I know the student body at UMich and Cal don't have the quality of, say, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson, but they're certainly trying to recruit people of that caliber. Maybe they'll luck out and get Hillary Duff, but who knows. Don't get me wrong, NYU is a fine school, on par with Boston College or Rutgers, but you only make yourself look silly trying to put NYU in league with the big boys. By the way, congrats are in order, I hear Lindsey Lohan will be attenting NYU next year. Jeez, scholars of her level are intimidating!

    Lol no.
    Stern is internationally renowned, as are Michigan/Berkely business programs. I'd say that they are about equal in category.
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  • pimpthatthangpimpthatthang 239 replies42 threads Junior Member
    "Lol no.
    Stern is internationally renowned, as are Michigan/Berkely business programs. I'd say that they are about equal in category."

    i'd say wharton owns all of them... don't think its that close. you have to always strive for the best right? :)
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  • eternity_hope2005eternity_hope2005 490 replies34 threads Member
    Clearly Ross, Haas, Stern, Wharton, MIT, and Cornell can be a gateway to higher connections, jobs in i-banking/consulting. A 3.8 in Ross will do just as well in wall-street as a 3.8 from either Haas or Stern but which school honestly offers more to learn? The quality of education in private schools is somewhat higher than public schools.

    This doesn't mean going to Ross is inferior than Stern. Like I said, a student successful at both colleges can get a top job in banking/consulting but overall, I feel that Stern might give a small edge to the individual. Private colleges simply have more money to spend on individual students.

    Overall, Mich. has more of a budget than NYU or Cornell but *per individual student*, I feel that NYU invests more money because it can afford to. Similarly, I think that choosing Cornell AEM for undergrad. over places like Haas / Ross - in the end - may be a wise decision because the school can afford to spend more money, time, effort in educating the indiv. student than the publics.
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  • drop65drop65 271 replies17 threads Junior Member
    Agreed. I would attend Cornell AEM over ross/haas. I'd also attend Gtown McDonough > both too, but thats just me haha.
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  • Sam LeeSam Lee 9273 replies176 threads Senior Member
    I think we need to be a little more careful of what $ per student really means. I am not saying you are wrong; however, per capita isn't necessary the best measure for everything. For example, lets say there's a sports club called gym A that has not only weightroom/cardio machines but also amenities likewhirpool, steamroom, swimming pool, basketball courts with a operating budget of, say, $1 million and 2000 members. Gym B is a more typical one with only a weightroom and cardio machines with operating budget of, say, $100,000 with 100 members. To me, gym A has more to offer even though budget/per member is less.

    Another real-life example. I'd lived in apt buildings that range from 18 units to 100 units per building. Currently, I live in a one with 18 units and there are 2 washing machines/2 dryers downstair. I think I wait (when both are occupied) more often now than when I was in buildings with more units and more machines but less machines per unit. ;)
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  • nightflynightfly 131 replies1 threads Junior Member
    This thread has been hijacked!. The original poster was looking for lesser known schools that still get coverage from the IB recruiters.

    Any takers?
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