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Dont pick hospitality tourism AKA hotel management

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Replies to: Dont pick hospitality tourism AKA hotel management

  • GMTplus7GMTplus7 Registered User Posts: 14,567 Senior Member
    Why is this news to you at this point? And how is this any different than the salary prospects for anthropology majors?

  • BigD124BigD124 Registered User Posts: 36 Junior Member
    edited June 2016
    It isn't news to me. When did I say it was?


    I'm sure if anthropology graduates are making minimum wage then they're probably regreting their choice of major too. Are you arguing that a minimum wage job with a college degree is the norm?


    Plus, I don't think anthropologists have to worry about being replaced every couple years when they finally reach their dream job.
  • twicearoundtwicearound Registered User Posts: 208 Junior Member
    It is a tough industry but I'm not sure the degree is worthless and not everyone in it shares the same experience. I know several people who've graduated with the degree. Three left the field--one went to law school and did quite well, one is in sales in another industry. The third is a VP for an international company in a completely different field (but entered through a sales position). They had similar opinions to you-- the early years involved low pay, long hours, holidays, and frequent relocating. However, I know several who are very happy in the industry. Three of them have made a lot of money. One owns a management company with a big portfolio of properties. Another runs a management company after working as a GM at a few properties. Another GM invested in a hotel with partners when it was up for sale and now owns it (he never moved cities throughout his career). And yet another is currently a GM and has managed to remain in the same city by jumping hotel companies during his trajectory. The latter is the least compensated but he loves his job and the perks (lots of free travel and dining) and is off all holidays (only since he's been a GM). The fifth is a GM in a resort town and hasn't moved in more than a decade. He loves it. Again, tough industry, but many paths and experiences. Many people change their fields and I think there is value in your degree depending on you and the direction you choose to go. Good luck.
  • prof2dadprof2dad Registered User Posts: 694 Member
    BigD124, I stated in my earlier post that not too many universities offer a degree in hotel management. You had problem with my statement. To demonstrate my point, I did a quick google search using the following 3 set of key words: the name of a top 20 public university according to the U.S. News and World Report, hospitality, and hotel management. Among these 20 universities, 3 of them have a degree relating to hospitality. Note that these 20 universities, like UC Berkeley, U. of Michigan, UW Madison, etc., are largely state flagship universities. That means they have almost every popular majors. But only 3 of them have such a degree. Should this be a surprise? I do not think so. Hospitality is a very specialized degree most useful for a specific industry; its employment base is relatively smaller compared to more general functional field, such as marketing, management, and finance, etc.

    Just like any degree in other fields, it takes certain kind of people to find a hospitality degree useful or enjoyable. I know a few MDs who quitted medical practices after they paid off their student loans. I think your future success will be more about you, less about the degree itself. Being angry is not particularly useful.
  • BigD124BigD124 Registered User Posts: 36 Junior Member
    @twicearound I'm glad those individuals are doing well but I don't see how their degree helped them. I'm sure they got where they needed to through hard work and experience.
  • BigD124BigD124 Registered User Posts: 36 Junior Member
    @prof2dad My apologies. I was grouping hotel management with hospitality. You're right. There are few degrees with hotel management.

    I still have to disagree about the degree being useful. The experience is much more important.

    May I ask what fields the MD moved onto after finishing up with their respective fields.
  • prof2dadprof2dad Registered User Posts: 694 Member
    BigD124, no problem. One of them became a professional musician. Many MDs are good musicians. For example, there are many MDs playing for LongWood Orchestra, Cambridge, MA. One is now an entrepreneur. Another one is my friend's friend, and she is doing serious writing now.
  • BigD124BigD124 Registered User Posts: 36 Junior Member
    Here is some dishonesty about the college major:http://www.careerigniter.com/questions/why-choose-hospitality-management/

    "Many hospitality jobs also offer flexible hours. You may be able to select from morning, afternoon, or even overnight hours."

    Not if you want to get ahead in the industry. You most likely have to be on call 24 hours a day if you want to get promoted to or once you become a first line supervisor or manager.

    Furthermore, what this articles neglects to inform the reader is that the majority of hotels are bought and sold ever couple years. Meaning, you would have relocate once the new management team takes over and you're out of a job.
  • twicearoundtwicearound Registered User Posts: 208 Junior Member
    We will just have to agree to disagree. I gave you several examples of people who had different experiences than what you describe--they didn't all have to relocate, they didn't all find it as terrible as you did, they do value their degrees. It is not as black and white as you are so defiantly arguing. It is clear this is a career path that isn't for you. Best wishes in your future endeavors.
  • ahsmuohahsmuoh Registered User Posts: 1,346 Senior Member
    I don't disagree with you. My daughter has a couple friends that are hospitality majors and I really think they would be much better off as business majors. You can get a job in Hospitality with a business degree but it's difficult the other way around. I have a business degree (Human Resources) but my first job out of college was in a management training program for a hotel management company. I LOVED the job but the pay was low and I worked about 70 hours a week.

    But I am a little surprised that you received a degree in Hospitality and at no point did you learn about Managament Companies. It can work both ways - if the Managament company that you work with buys a hotel - you could be "brought along".
  • BigD124BigD124 Registered User Posts: 36 Junior Member
    @twicearound I believe you when you say those individual didn't have to relocate and enjoy their profession. You say
    they do value their degrees." If you're talking about the aforementioned individuals, then I can agree that THEY might value their degrees but I never seen any benefit in this industry.

    After the first GM was fired and had to find work in another state, the new management company that took over my hotel conducted a through search for a replacement. Someone left one of the resumes next to me and I noticed that particular individual, who was GM at a number of other hotels, had no college degree at all.
  • carolinamom2boyscarolinamom2boys Registered User Posts: 6,568 Senior Member
    Many people submit resumes for a position , but that doesn't mean that they will be considered for or actually be offered a position. Your post about dishonesty with your major was not dishonest IMO. It stated you " may be able to select from morning, afternoon or even overnight hours". That is true. Nowhere does it say as a new grad you are guaranteed that flexibility. That is true in many professions. The one that comes to mind immediately is nursing. Many new grads have to take second shift jobs for quite sometime before being able to get a first shift , weekday position.
  • twicearoundtwicearound Registered User Posts: 208 Junior Member
    edited June 2016
    Yes but YOU are not the definitive source just as they are not. Experiences vary and that's my point. It's not black and white.

    There are some fields where degree matters and some where just having a degree matters. It's an innocuous degree. People change fields all the time, including those with very specialized degrees. It can be and is done.

    RE: Business degree. Many great schools don't even offer a business degree yet place well in business.
  • BigD124BigD124 Registered User Posts: 36 Junior Member
    @carolinamom2boys I can assure you that particular individual was indeed considered. And why wouldn't he be? He has decades of experience and was a GM. He was no doubt qualified.

    IMO, at least the education I got was dishonest as my school didn't inform me the most basic aspect about my major. One of my coworkers at the hotel I was working at was actually one of the teachers at my school. HE was the one who informed me that the majority of hotels are bought and sold every couple years and new managers are brought in after every sale. It sure would have been nice to know that while I was in school so I could have changed my major.

    If someone is adamant about a career in hotels and wants to go to school, I would recommend an accounting degree. Becoming an accountant at a hotel would propel you above the terrible entry level jobs and this would no doubt jumpstart you in becoming a GM over a degree in hospitality.

    After working a year and a half in this industry, my sister informed me she was going to interview at a hotel for a Banquet Manager position. She was a journalism major and was working on a weekly newsletter at a local college. At this position she was working normal business hours and was earning decent money-nearly twice the amount I was at the hotel. In addition to the newsletter she was in charge of scheduling the banquet functions at the college she was working for. After working in the hotel for years, my next step would an hourly supervisor and then to a management position. I couldn't apply for a position like the one my sister did until after 10 years or so. My sister was only five years removed from school and she got an interview despite never working at a hotel in her life.

    I don't think it is fair that I paid for more dues than her but only she could interview for a far better position because of her experience.

    My point is my degree was worthless to someone who had a little bit of similar work experience.
  • carolinamom2boyscarolinamom2boys Registered User Posts: 6,568 Senior Member
    You say that the applicant had decades of experience . When he started out , experience was what was needed. Today, things are different . A degree is not a guarantee for employment . It is not the schools job to inform a student about future job opportunities and the real world situations involved in that career. It is the student's responsibility to do their homework to find those things out before choosing a career or major.
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