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3.7 at u mich vs 3.3 at wharton finance

stuyvesant06stuyvesant06 - Posts: 115 Junior Member
edited May 2005 in Business Major
which one is more appealing to big corps. i know goldman sachs love u mich grads while jp morgan, morgan stanley, citigroup prefer wharton(goldman sachs too, of course).
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Replies to: 3.7 at u mich vs 3.3 at wharton finance

  • Penn15Penn15 Registered User Posts: 259 Junior Member
    3.7 and 3.3 is a pretty big difference.
  • AlexandreAlexandre Registered User Posts: 24,615 Senior Member
    3.7 at Ross. The cutoff for many companies, especially MCs and IBs is 3.5. But as long as you have a 3.5+ GPA at either school, it is not your grades or the school that will get you the job (both are extremely respected) but rather, your interviewing skills and your initiave.
  • snipanlolsnipanlol Registered User Posts: 538 Member
    The GPA cut-off for IBs and MCs is plain BS. Look at the average GPA for Wharton, around 3.1-3.2, and I assure you that they do not cut off that many Wharton graduates.

    What is the average and curve like at U Mich, that is what is interesting in comparing the two. And it is true - the interview is what gets you the job.
  • AlexandreAlexandre Registered User Posts: 24,615 Senior Member
    The range of GPAs in the B School hovers between 3.0 and 4.0 because to even get into the B-School, you have to maintain a high GPA at Michigan for 2 years.
  • redhare317redhare317 Registered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    Well now that the B school is a three year program, you just have to work hard freshman year to get into undergrad Ross, which now starts sophomore year.

    Alexandre, do you know anything about the grading curve at Ross?
  • AlexandreAlexandre Registered User Posts: 24,615 Senior Member
    I am not sure how the Ross school grades. I am pretty sure it is more lenient than the rest of the university. Afterall, as it stands, the average student who gets into Ross is among the top 25% of Michigan's student body. We are talking about some seriously talented students. I cannot imagine them setting the mean at C+/B-
  • snipanlolsnipanlol Registered User Posts: 538 Member
    Which, incidentally, is not too far from where the curve usually is att Wharton.

    Hence comparing GPAs between schools becomes very very hard:

    Ross - three year program and more lenient curve
    Wharton - four year program and quite harsh curve

    Several factors would influence the GPA, and as always ace the interview and you've got the job.
  • themegastudthemegastud Registered User Posts: 868 Member
    Granted I'm not an IB/MC recruiter nor a Wharton student but from the recruiters from these idustries that I've seen present or have spoken with, the 3.5 cutoff holds.

    Sure, Wharton students will be extended SOME leniency but i-banks and mgmt consulting firms have such stellar applicant pools that they can set such a cutoff. After all, why should they pick some 3.3 Wharton student when there's a hundred other ivy league grads with a 3.5+?

    The Ross student, to answer the question.
  • Penn15Penn15 Registered User Posts: 259 Junior Member
    Wharton's name alone seems to impress recruiters. I know of over 30 FRESHMAN Whartonites getting internships at top financial firms. I don't know if this is the norm for any other school, but it pretty damn impressed me.
  • AlexandreAlexandre Registered User Posts: 24,615 Senior Member
    Obviously, Wharton has an amazing reputation and when it comes to Finance, it is without equal at the undergraduate level. However, Schools like Haas, Ross, Sloan and Stern aren't far behind and get their students some pretty impressive internships and full time placement.
  • botangersbotangers Registered User Posts: 30 Junior Member
    Also, keep in mind that if you want to work somewhere like Morgan Stanely or Goldman Sachs, a 3.7 from UMich might not even be good enough (and a 3.3 obviously wouldn't be good enough either)
  • mahras2mahras2 Registered User Posts: 1,977 Senior Member
    I beg to differ. 3.7 is an excellent GPA from Ross and will get you into the door. If you can make the GPA cutoff and the initial screen its an equal playing field where your connections, experience, interviewer's mood, charisma, and every other little detail will come into play.
  • botangersbotangers Registered User Posts: 30 Junior Member
    Yes a 3.7 from Ross is a good GPA, but if you want to work at GS or MS, you have to be really top notch. Getting past the initial screen is important, but GPA will always play a role--even in the final round. If they have two candidates that they both like, and one has a 3.7 and the other has a 3.9, there's a good chance they will choose the 3.9.
  • mahras2mahras2 Registered User Posts: 1,977 Senior Member
    I would disagree yet again! The external factors: previous experience, match with the firm, interviewer's mood, answers to questions at interview is more important of a distinction than a mere 0.2 points. This is business not medical school.
  • botangersbotangers Registered User Posts: 30 Junior Member
    I do agree with you in that all of those are significant factors, but I'm just trying to make that point that it'd be difficult to find a UMich alum with a 3.7 at somewhere like GS/MS/Blackstone etc. unless they had crazy connections or EC's.

    Keep in mind that Morgan Stanely only takes one summer from UMich...
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