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Replies to: CMU SAMS 2017

  • daffyduck414daffyduck414 Registered User Posts: 17 New Member
    Did you find out through email?
  • nasphomenasphome Registered User Posts: 4 New Member
    Trying to see the pros and cons of the SAMS program.
    Need advice from someone who attended this program in the past or someone who knows about the following..

    As per the curriculum of the program, it says apart from STEM program they also help in SAT prep and also give Career advice
    1)How rigorous is their SAT prep? Does it really help in getting top score?
    2)What kind of career advice they give? Does it help in preparing for college admission?
    3)Which science courses are offered?
    4)Which computer programming or computer science topics are taught in the program?
    5)This is a STEM program. If I decide to apply to other major say business, will I get benefit from this program?
    6)Does this program help in admission to ivy universities or at least to Carnegie Mellon when I apply to colleges?
  • ak2018ak2018 Registered User Posts: 2,868 Senior Member

    Hello, I was actually accepted this year. I don't know everything about the program yet, but I can answers your questions as best as I can.

    1. Based off of statistics I received from Carnegie Mellon, their standardized test prep (which helps with both the ACT and SAT) on average raises your score about 120 points on the SAT and 4 - 6 points on the ACT. The reason is not because the prep is bad, it's because, based on the schedule I was sent, we are only going to have 12 standardized test sessions, two sessions per week, each one being an hour and 45 minutes long. However, considering that most of the students accepted already have scores in the 1250+ and 28+ ranges, those points are likely all they need and more. Since it is an average, your score, however, would depend on how much you soak in from the sessions. So your score increase could be higher, or lower, than the average score.

    2. I believe we're going to have a lot of opportunities to get college and career advising. They've made it really clear that we are technically CMU students for the time being and that most of their services are open to us. Based off of my schedule, we're going to be having two opportunities (Assembly and Group Advising) through the program each week to get help and advising. I would not be able to answer the second part of your question, but I would imagine it'll definitely be a great help as they are among one of the top engineering and performing arts colleges in the country. We have the opportunity to meet their professors and get advice from them, get advice from our resident dorm advisors, and likely lots of other places on campus.

    3. They have not told us exactly what will be offered other than Physics will definitely be offered. Other science classes such as Chemistry, Biology, and even Biochemistry will be offered if enough people want to take it. But based off of the SAMS group chat I'm in, a lot of us are taking Physics.

    4. I'm pretty sure it's going to be about Java, but it's just speculation at this point. If it is about Java, then it may be similar to AP Computer Science A.

    5. It could help, programming especially, but it really depends on how much of science you can stand. AP/EA is similar to SAMS, also through Carnegie Mellon, and would allow you to do more business-classes, if accepted. AP/EA, however, costs more to go to if you don't apply with the diversity application. If you do and get accepted, you'll likely receive a scholarship to attend.

    6. Based on what I heard from a SAMS alumni who is now at Carnegie Mellon, it shows demonstrated interest in Carnegie Mellon. Based off of a 2009 statistics, 83 of 800 students who went to SAMS several years prior got into Carnegie Mellon. 2 of them got into MIT. Some say it helps, more than others.

    Hope​ this helps!
  • WinnerWannabeWinnerWannabe Registered User Posts: 117 Junior Member
    I think the article said it was 9 MIT and 9 Cornell, not 2 MIT
  • WinnerWannabeWinnerWannabe Registered User Posts: 117 Junior Member
    Those were the two most common Ivy League/Top 10 schools. And the article said that 9 SAMS alumni matriculated. So I'm assuming closer to 15-20 SAMS alumni actually got accepted. And we don't know how many applied, do the accepted percentage could be as high as 20% or as low as 10% realistically.
  • WinnerWannabeWinnerWannabe Registered User Posts: 117 Junior Member
  • ShivspyShivspy Registered User Posts: 2 New Member
    @daffyduck414 Yeah, through email
  • testprepguytestprepguy Registered User Posts: 1 New Member
    Hello! I'm actually the guy that teaches the SAT/ACT prep course for SAMS. I've been teaching the course in one form or another since 2008, and I've been teaching test prep for almost 20 years.

    What ak2018 said is mostly accurate. The test prep we do is geared toward high-performing students who are looking to maximize their scores. While we do some content-oriented triage at the beginning, the focus is on test strategy and knowing yourself as a test-taker. Although we've had score jumps as high as 200 points, using average score increases as a measure of our success is problematic because, as ak2018 pointed out, many students are coming in with good scores already, so their score increases tend to look less impressive.
  • nasphomenasphome Registered User Posts: 4 New Member
    Thank you so much for your detailed reply.

    Do you know how many students got accepted or know anyone who got accepted into CMU after doing SAM's program?
  • nasphomenasphome Registered User Posts: 4 New Member
    Sorry ak2018. I see that you already replied about statistics of acceptance of SAM's students.
  • ak2018ak2018 Registered User Posts: 2,868 Senior Member
    @nasphome You're welcome.
  • MBV1999MBV1999 Registered User Posts: 1 New Member
    @ak2018 I will be attending the program as well, can I be added to the GroupMe still?
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