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Accepted to Only 2 Out of 17 Schools - and What I Learned

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Replies to: Accepted to Only 2 Out of 17 Schools - and What I Learned

  • preppedparentpreppedparent Registered User Posts: 3,318 Senior Member
    uh duh @LIndagaf. I went to an ivy, and yes I can read. I know that. Why do you presume I don't know?
  • LindagafLindagaf Registered User Posts: 8,573 Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Interesting response. I simply thought perhaps you weren't aware and I was trying to be helpful. Many people don't notice the original posting dates on old threads.
  • websensationwebsensation Registered User Posts: 1,972 Senior Member
    I know OP's post is very old but I wanted to post something so that future applicants can keep this in mind. I have seen many applicants (many of them Asian Americans) get denied even from UCB with the similar stats as OP, especially if their intended majors are in competitive fields. I know one smart Asian-American student with 2350+ SAT, near perfect GPA, captain of track team, etc. who got rejected from all schools for Comp Sci field and got into "only" UC San Diego. He did very well there and has a great job waiting for him. At least OP got into UCB. A scary thing is he wasn't even going to apply to UC San Diego thinking there is no way he would get rejected from some schools which were ranked higher than UCSD. So always apply to one or two "for sure" schools. This kid's experience persuaded me to have my kid apply to two "for sure" safety Honors Colleges at state schools where our kid got near full merit scholarships, so in the worst scenario, he had his back-ups.

    The ironic thing is my kid wasn't offered and couldn't get Regents scholarship from top UCs, but he had pretty good chance to get into HYPSM. The evaluation standards differ for both.
  • preppedparentpreppedparent Registered User Posts: 3,318 Senior Member
    It's sad that Asian Americans are discriminated against in the college admission process. Many colleges have secret quotas for Asians and there's a lot of hiding behind the "holistic process," rather than transparency. It's only a matter of time before the Supreme Court ensures that MLK's dream manifests for all students. For naysayers, don't take my word for it, google Asian Americans and college admissions.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 39,638 Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Preppedparent: UCs specifically do not consider race when admitting students.
    In any case....40% students at UCB are Asian American (24% White). About 37% at UC Irvine, 44% at UCSD. This roughly reflects the demographic make up of the state - o don't think you'd get the same numbers in New Hampshire.
    For UCs what matters is being the best in your high school or what you achieved within your high school.
    UIowa, UMaine look at your stats only.
    At other Universities, there are various components to admissions. There has to be balance between all groups the university wants to see represented.
    In addition, there are many highly ranked, highly selective universities where being Asian means being an underrepresented applicant (Carleton, Colby Grinnell...)
  • AJLimomAJLimom Registered User Posts: 12 New Member
    Did OP reveal his/her demographic ? I wouldn't be surprised if OP is Asian male. All schools will fight for you if OP is in one of URM group. There is something wrong with the system when race is the main factor.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 73,730 Senior Member
    AJLimom wrote:
    There is something wrong with the system when race is the main factor.

    It is not a factor at all at California public universities.
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 20,240 Senior Member
    It is not the main factor in other schools either. It is A factor.

    And Harvard is being investigated for even making it a factor.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 73,730 Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    MYOS1634 wrote:
    In any case....40% students at UCB are Asian American (24% White). About 37% at UC Irvine, 44% at UCSD. This roughly reflects the demographic make up of the state - o don't think you'd get the same numbers in New Hampshire.

    In terms of race/ethnicity, while California demographics differ considerably from those of New Hampshire, the demographics of UC do not exactly match the demographics of California public high school graduates, due to different rates of reaching baseline eligibility.

    https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/infocenter/ca-hs-pipeline shows that about half of California public high school graduates are Latino these days, but only about a third of Latino high school graduates complete the baseline subject requirements for UC frosh admission ("CA A-G Completers"; 'a-g" subject requirements are described at http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/freshman/requirements/a-g-requirements/index.html ), resulting in considerable underrepresentation of Latino students in applicants, admits, and enrollees at UC.

    In contrast, about half of white and two thirds of Asian public high school graduates in California complete the baseline subject requirements for UC frosh admission.
  • bsmdegreebsmdegree Registered User Posts: 77 Junior Member
    edited November 2017
    @uclaparent9 pointed out the issue OP had.

    Please read OP lines carefully

    "My stats are as follows: 2350 SAT, 35 ACT, 800s on SAT Math II, Biology E, Physics, Chemistry, 5s on all AP tests I have taken (Calculus BC, Statistics, Chemistry, Biology, Computer Science, English Literature and Composition, European History), a 4.4 GPA."

    OP did not show a transcript or unweighted GPA here.
    (OP took at least 7 AP courses + honor courses,
    OP got 4.4 weighted GPA.)

    4.4 weighted GPA is the issue, isn't it ?




  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 73,730 Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Yes, weighted GPA without any information on what weighting system is used is meaningless.

    (However, if the OP got into UCB with a Regents' scholarship, GPA must have been good, since UCs tend to favor GPA heavily.)
  • bogeyorparbogeyorpar Registered User Posts: 781 Member
    @ucbalumnus , I was surprised when I watched a YouTube video by a UCB professor who was analyzing the UCB admission process. According to the professor, although they don't consider race, they consider some other factors, such as "low-income" or "parents didn't finish high school". Although they track it as separate factors, these factors are not an independent variable from race; some of them may be considered a proxy of race. (The professor did analyze how much of "low-income" and "first generation" overlap with URM. I forgot the exact number, but it's pretty significant.)
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 73,730 Senior Member
    URMs are overrepresented among LI and 1G, but LI and 1G are not exclusively URM. Indeed, 1G is very common across all races/ethnicities, although many 1G students do not apply to college in the first place. 1G is also probably the strongest correlate of disadvantage with respect to attending and graduating college, and other correlates like race/ethnicity and LI are probably mostly due to their overlap with 1G.

    But then just about any admission criterion will have correlation to race/ethnicity to some extent.
  • preppedparentpreppedparent Registered User Posts: 3,318 Senior Member
    @MYOS1634 You made my point. That's why OP is at Cal and not at the ivies which discriminate against Asians. UCs can't.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 39,638 Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Err no. He got in because it's his state flagship and the university's population is relatively similar to the state's population, moderately over representing Asians. The same is true for, say, Harvard - nationally, there are 6% Asian Americans (or, if you want to look at New England only, 3%). I don't think you can argue Asians are under represented at Harvard or Ivies. If you look at Stanford, Asian Americans represent about 25% - reflecting the region more than the national average.
    In addition, there ARE colleges where Asian Americans are under-represented and these actively try to recruit Asian American students, through minority fly-ins for instance.
    I also understand nothing will convince you since you are using this kid's thread to make that point.
    Realistically, the only way you can increase Asian representation at Harvard is by decreasing legacy advantage, which currently tends to favor advantaged white applicants, but doing so would also undo the legacy advantage for future Asian American legacies.
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