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Pre-Med Colleges

willx789willx789 Registered User Posts: 3 New Member
I'm an Asian male going into my Junior year of high school in Maryland in a specialized program that I tested into. Our program focuses on STEM subjects and provides us with a lot of specialized classes such as introductory courses into organic chem and biochem. But being one of the top 3 schools in the state in an advanced program, it's also highly competative.

My GPA (Unweighted) is currently 3.8, my weighted is 4.7.
SAT: 1550
Over 350 volunteer hours (70 at a senior center 100 at a hospital, the other hours are from tutoring younger kids)
Will have a summer research internship (required in my program so no worries here)
Varsity Tennis and Varsity Cross Country
AP's (Including ones I'm planning to take): Government, US History, World History, Calc BC, Stat, Chem, Bio, Lang, Lit, Computer Science A
Planning to take SAT II: Math II, Chem, and maybe an additional social studies or English one

I've always liked working with my hands and the almost mechanical way in which the body works also amazed me, so for the past year or two I've been thinking about being a Surgeon. I'd therefore have to go into med school and need a good university which would best allow me to get into med school. Some colleges I've been looking into (non-ivy) include UNC Chapel Hill, Emory, and Northwestern (maybe even Duke?).
So being Asian and many schools using affirmative action (especially Emory) I was wondering what my chances are to get into one of the aforementioned schools? My safety is UMD, but I'm really looking for an out of state school that has some really nice pre-med programs. I know my GPA isn't that perfect 4.0 many schools are looking for, but I'm hoping that my more-rigorous course selection would help. I know Emory has nearly a 60:40 female to male ratio, so is it easier for guys to get in? Any comments or suggestions is heavily appreciated :D
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  • Groundwork2022Groundwork2022 Registered User Posts: 1,494 Senior Member
    You can get into highly selective schools with a 3.8 GPA so long as the rest of your application is strong (which it is). However, the low admit rates of all your colleges make them reach schools for everyone, no matter how outstanding the applicant. Their selectivity makes it likely that they will only give need-based aid, not merit aid (you have to research each school to know for sure). So run the NPC on each school to be sure you can afford to attend. You should add more safety schools - both financial and academic to your list. You're looking at 10-12 years that you are going to have to pay for college, so you have to play the long game, financially speaking.
  • willx789willx789 Registered User Posts: 3 New Member
    I'm not too concerned about finances (thankfully my immigrant parents have worked their butts off to allow me to go to a nice college, if everything goes to plan I want to pay them back) but more concerned about actually getting in. How are my chances looking?
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 75,364 Senior Member
    Be concerned about finances.

    Medical school is expensive. So you may want to keep undergraduate school costs down so that some of your parents' money can lower your medical school debt (if you go to medical school, you are unlikely to be able to start paying off any debt to your parents or other lenders until you start practice 12+ years after starting undergraduate).
  • ColoradomamaColoradomama Registered User Posts: 2,373 Senior Member
    There is a big dichotomy on College Confidential about the best way to get into med school. Go with low cost state school option and save money versus the very top colleges you are looking at.

    Another option, have you heard about the Kansas City Medical school program that is six years start to finish?
    http://med.umkc.edu/bamd/
    This avoids the MCAT, and you become a doctor sooner.

    I know students who spent about $10,000 just on medical school applications, its brutal today.
    And many students get rejected on round one, to every medical school they apply to, because they have not really had enough clinical experiences to even know if they want to become a doctor.

    Physician assistant schools may also be something to consider, and there are some in New York State that
    you can look at applying straight from high school.

    But for premed , I like Case Western Reserve U in Cleveland Ohio, It will allow you to walk to two hospitals, explore
    clinical and research work, and give you a lot of help with med school recommendation letters, and advise on how to get in.

    But the programs you seem to favor, will do that too, so you are looking in the right place, in my opinion.
    Vanderbilt likes Asian American students, and your SAT is high enough for Vanderbilt, I believe.
    There are less Asian Americans at Vandy.
  • willx789willx789 Registered User Posts: 3 New Member
    My parents are helping me through college, I'm going to take care of Med School. But I am also going to look at some 8 year programs that waive the MCAT, but if I don't make those programs I might be in some deep water. So in case, some of the schools I mentioned have good pre-med programs that could help me if I can't get into a 6-8 year program.
  • ColoradomamaColoradomama Registered User Posts: 2,373 Senior Member
    If you are sure you can get into UMD College Park, that is a great option, and you don't need more safeties if you have guaranteed admission as a Maryland student. Look into that. Maryland is selective and outstanding for lots of majors and in a nice city. Case Western is in between in selectivity between say Northwestern, and Maryland.

    Northwestern is a school where you may want to consider applying binding early decision, and then you need to be sure you can afford it, to up your chances of getting in.
  • GoldenRockGoldenRock Registered User Posts: 1,388 Senior Member
    @willx789

    1. Don't worry about your GPA. You are good for both regular UG and also for some BS/MD programs. But you need to review and understand what the BS/MD programs and whether you prefer to go in the regular route or not. Or simply apply to few BS/MD and many regular UG which is of interest to you and also you feel it is good for pre-med.

    There are so many flavors (binding/non-binding, need MCAT and no need, need to do some specific major or do any major, need to maintain high or reasonable GPA etc). If you are interested in BS/MD programs, make future posts in
    https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/multiple-degree-programs/2081864-official-thread-for-bsmd-applicants-2019.html#latest

    2. Forget about all the noises about affirmative action or taking MCAT etc., Focus on what you can control and excel on those. Still students who are ORM get in to medical schools, still students from tough and top UG schools get MD admission etc., If you are focused and hard working student, you can score well in MCAT.

    3. Agree, as a parent good to save money, but make that decision wisely. For example, we have enough savings for my D for both UG and MD. But she being a frugal monster, opted to go to OU (low tier) since they gave free tuition. But we agreed with the decision because she also got admission for BS/MD. In case if it is regular UG, then we would have persuaded her to go different school (including our state schools or Vandy or Rice where she got admissions) and not to focus way too much on Money.

    4. Don't worry way too much on MD admission now (if you are going in the regular UG) at this point of time. It is way too early. Just focus on some good schools and get going. If you are also so much interested in mechanical aspects, Biomedical engg is a good option. Though many will state engg is oxymoron for MD admission, it is still possible, again if you are focused and ready to work very hard. Also it is an excellent Plan B, once you understand the medicine career and your interests and knowledge evolves as you go thru in life.

    5. Suggest, to shadow few docs, if possible now to next couple of months, especially if you are planning to apply to few BS/MD programs.
  • mom2collegekidsmom2collegekids Forum Champion Financial Aid, Forum Champion Alabama Posts: 84,814 Forum Champion
    in case, some of the schools I mentioned have good pre-med programs


    Schools don’t have Premed programs.

    Premed classes are just regular classes that other STEM students are taking as well.

    Just go to any good school that you like
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 75,364 Senior Member
    Schools don’t have Premed programs.

    Some do, but majoring in such a thing is unlikely to be of any advantage in getting into medical school, and not getting into medical school means trying to enter the job market with a major that says "failed pre-med".

    https://science.nd.edu/undergraduate/sample-curricula/preprofessional-studies-sample-curriculum/
  • lookingforwardlookingforward Registered User Posts: 31,371 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    Volunteering at the nursing home and tutoring kids may not be enough. (I personally don't think they are, for a stem wannabe to a competitive holistic.) What do you actually do at the hospital? Research (especially when facilitated by the hs) doesn't replace the hands on aspects. Are their more ECs than sports? Nothing collaborative in math or science? Nothing that shows other interests and openness? Or challenge? You need to quickly take a hard look at what your targets expect in a stem wannabe. A bsmd program will be even more competitive.

    No, you don't need a top undergrad program. You do need a school where you can do *your* personal best. So right now I don't think you know enough about either UG acceptance or what it does take to get into med school. Try to learn more.
  • AndorvwAndorvw Registered User Posts: 250 Junior Member
    NortheasternU has a pre-health BS program (pre-med, pre-dental, pre-vet, pre-PA, pre-PT, pre-PH, pre-SW):

    https://bouve.northeastern.edu/health-sciences/programs/bs/
  • merc81merc81 Registered User Posts: 9,589 Senior Member
    In terms of a general suggestion, LACs such as Haverford, Carleton et al tend to offer good pre-med support as well as notable early action programs for their top students: https://www.studentdoctor.net/2014/08/04/skip-the-mcat/.
  • artloversplusartloversplus Registered User Posts: 8,577 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    "LACs such as Haverford, Carleton et al tend to offer good pre-med support as well as notable early action programs for their top students"

    The operative word is "TOP Students", if you ARE the "top students", it really dose not matter whether you go to a LAC or State Flag school. As long as you have the fit and affordable AND be top student, you can go to almost ANY top 200 or State flag schools in the USA and be able to go to med school upon graduation.

    So the general advice is that if you can be the top 25%(10% is even better) of the entering class, you will most likely be the "top students" in that school.
  • merc81merc81 Registered User Posts: 9,589 Senior Member
    "Top students" in that context referred to eligibility for the early action programs particular to the limited group of schools in the included link (reply #12). In some cases, these programs do not require the MCAT, an alternative approach of interest to the OP (#5).
  • artloversplusartloversplus Registered User Posts: 8,577 Senior Member
    @merc81 BS/MD is not part of Premed discussion. Top Students are referring to regularly admitted students not BS/MD students, which require separate application and interview.
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