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Stanford will no longer announce undergraduate application numbers

Dave_BerryDave_Berry 492 replies2567 threadsCC Admissions Expert Senior Member
"Stanford’s policy shift is intended to help de-emphasize the perceived importance of low admit rates at colleges and universities. The university will continue to publicly report application data to the federal government at the end of the admission cycle." ...

https://news.stanford.edu/2018/08/30/stanford-will-no-longer-announce-undergraduate-application-numbers/
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  • CenterCenter 2204 replies66 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Since all Acceptance rates have been hugely impacted by the common app (more applicants for the same spaces) its rather dishonest for schools to tout these rates especially in light of the lawsuit against Harvard where the numbers are even smaller than "advertised" It may be a quasi legal move as well.
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  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk 2433 replies5 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    or (gasp!), Stanford thinks it will get less applications next year
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  • PublisherPublisher 7977 replies82 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    @evergreen5: I agree with your observation. In my opinion, this is a ridiculous announcement that even spoof writers wouldn't try to pass off as serious.
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  • GnocchiBGnocchiB 2078 replies230 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited August 2018
    This is a ridiculous and self-congratulatory move. Of course reporters will be all over the data as soon as it is released - it just pushes back the admit rate reveal date and will make everyone even more anxious about it.

    If Stanford were really concerned about their admit rate being too low it would stop doing ANY marketing/outreach to any students. No emails, no glossy mailings. Full stop.
    edited August 2018
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  • hayisforhorsehayisforhorse 108 replies17 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    you’d think that, with the ever-increasing demand for education, they’d maybe expand class sizes or something, even just slightly, to help stabilize their numbers, rather than hide negative data
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  • CU123CU123 3582 replies68 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Actually I think they do have plans to increase class size significantly.
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  • washugradwashugrad 1134 replies13 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Well.... that's an interesting new wrinkle.
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  • fredtheredfredthered 95 replies0 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    This is worrisome. First, Stanford stops announcing numbers for REA. Now, it apparently will delay releasing numbers until federal filings mandate that certain data be revealed.

    The question is: why this opaqueness? My guess is to encourage even more applications. The vast majority of applications to a school like Stanford are—or should be—doomed from the start. But the retort is “you never know—why not apply?” Downplay the odds to get some additional applicants. Sort of like encouraging people to buy lottery tickets?

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  • ewhoewho 1386 replies54 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited August 2018
    By focusing on the admit rate, talented students who would thrive at Stanford may opt not to apply because they think Stanford seems out of reach. And that would be a shame.”

    So, it is the talented students who don't apply. The best way to do is probably accepting the beat ones.
    edited August 2018
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  • preppedparentpreppedparent 3341 replies10 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    We need more transparancy not less. The law suit from Asians which the DOJ just backed against Harvard tells us this.
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  • EmpireappleEmpireapple 1719 replies26 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Stanford will never have trouble attracting qualified students. Yes...it's the lottery ticket sale price. Makes a nice fundraiser.
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  • ewhoewho 1386 replies54 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited August 2018
    ^ The message is that stanford can't see the whole pool of the 'talented students.'

    I think the problem is not the low admit rate but whether a talented applicant will be accepted, especially the Asians.
    edited August 2018
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  • SatchelSFSatchelSF 1372 replies13 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited August 2018
    I do think the low acceptance rates and the opacity of the admissions processes at all elites are working to discourage applications from the small pool of students with truly top ability. Everyone knows the miniscule acceptance rates are misleading - most applicants are instant rejects at HYPSM, for instance. Nevertheless, the large numbers of remaining viable applicants imply that there is going to be some randomness to the process. Enough that some extraordinary applicants will judge that using their ED bump at just below the EA HYPSM level is wise.
    edited August 2018
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  • CC AdminCC Admin 29516 replies2985 threadsAdministrator Senior Member
    This discussion was created from comments split from: Stanford to stop publicly announcing admission numbers.
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  • drusbadrusba 9616 replies20 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited September 2018
    Does anyone know exactly what Stanford means by the following as reported in the article attrached to OP's post:

    "During the admission process itself, and when admission decisions are issued each fall and spring, the university will not release application numbers. In the past, information about the incoming class, including application figures, was announced every spring. Stanford will continue to provide data on application numbers at the end of the admission cycle as part of an annual public report to the federal government."

    The article then provides a link to a March 30, 2018 article in which Stanford announced its application figures for the class being admitted for Fall 2018. It then says Stanford will continue to provide figures to the federal government.

    What I am not clear on is whether this means Stanford will no longer provide the application and admission figures in the Common Data Set (CDS). The CDS is something filled out and published in Fall for the Fall class that has already enrolled, i.e., it is not something created during the "admission process" of the class to which the figures apply but instead something that is only provided after that admission proces is long over.

    If it is still going to provide the figures in the CDS, then essentially little has really changed since majority of colleges do not publish application and admission numbers of their incoming classes until they issue the CDS for the already enrolled class.

    Moreover, the CDS is a document relied on by US News to provide rankings (USNews created the first CDS and is still one of the principal creators of any changes). USNews uses application and admission figures from the CDS as a factor in determining ranking. The US News ranking information released in August annually is actually always a year behind in that the figures it is relying on are for the prior year's starting class not the new one starting in the current August. If Stanford is actually going to cease providing figures in the CDS that would seem to create an issue for US News in determining its ranking. In the past, when a college has refused to provide key information relied on by US News in the CDS, US news has either lower their rank or "unranked" them. Is that something which will occur with Stanford if it refuses to provide figures in the CDS?
    edited September 2018
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