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Feds uncover admissions test cheating plot

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  • ColoradomamaColoradomama 2665 replies30 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    See the process for recruitment for division 1 athletics. That process is way harder than writing an essay, in my opinion, and starts by 10th grade in high school. There are camps and visits and tryouts and evaluations. Its a payed 11 month a year job with a contract at USC. It’s not related to applying to get accepted as a student although division one athletes may have to “pass”. to keep their pay.

    USC creates more Olympic athletes and professional athletes than any other American university. That’s their stated goal and has been for most of the history of that university.

    It would be stupid to ask an athlete to write a college essay. They are not there to read and write. They may collect a degree but it’s completed on a bus or in a hotel room with a tutor. They don’t hang out in classrooms, they train in a sport and play and travel as they are payed to do.

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  • ColoradomamaColoradomama 2665 replies30 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Search USC’s Olympic Heritage. uSC became an Olympic training school in 1904. This is their stated purpose and it’s parallel to anything else they might teach like engineering or film direction. Athletes do not us the USC Admissions process for a long time. Coaches pick the players.
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  • lookingforwardlookingforward 33097 replies358 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    I don't think it's accurate that it's a paid 11 month job. And NCAA states it's academics and sports. No matter whether we think academics gets thrm in.

    So I'd like backup on these statements.
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  • RandyErikaRandyErika 475 replies5 postsRegistered User Member
    @Coloradomama I believe your comments include as many falsities and half-truths, as they do valid points.
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  • TanbikoTanbiko 347 replies1 postsRegistered User Member
    "I don’t think any division 1 athletes write any essays or fill in the regular application"

    You really need to differentiate between schools and sports before making sweeping statements like that. I can assure you that in non-revenue sports Ivy Leagues recruits write all the required essays and follow the same application submission process (with possibly some minor deviations).

    "That process is way harder than writing an essay, in my opinion..."
    With that I can agree. For example, the process of elite college athletic recruitment may be like applying for a job in a highly sought-after company. Many rounds of "interviews" and references checks.
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  • menloparkmommenloparkmom 12453 replies537 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited May 19
    @Coloradomama

    your statements about USC are full of hot air. And are -pardon the phrase- BS.
    From the USC website:

    https://about.usc.edu/
    "The University of Southern California is one of the world’s leading private research universities. An anchor institution in Los Angeles, a global center for arts, technology and international business, USC’s diverse curricular offerings provide extensive opportunities for interdisciplinary study and collaboration with leading researchers in highly advanced learning environments.

    In a comprehensive 2018 ranking, The Wall Street Journal and Times Higher Education ranked USC 17th among more than 1,000 public and private universities. Among all California institutions — public and private — only USC, Caltech and Stanford University ranked within the top 20. Of the 150 universities surveyed in the western U.S., USC ranks No. 3. Among the top 25 schools, USC ranked No. 2 in engagement and No. 4 in environment, a measure of diversity and inclusion.

    This year, USC received a record number of applications for its fall freshman class — more than 64,000 applied — making 2018-2019 the institution’s most selective year on record, with a record-breaking acceptance rate of 13 percent. One in seven students (14 percent) of the class of 2022 are first-generation college students. With one of the most abundant financial aid pools in the country, USC provides more than $337 million in scholarships and aid.

    USC’s distinguished faculty of 4,000 innovative scholars, researchers, teachers and mentors includes five Nobel laureates, and dozens of recipients of prestigious national honors including the MacArthur “Genius” Award, Guggenheim Award, the National Medal of the Arts, the National Humanities Medal, the National Medal of Science, the National Medal of Technology and Innovation, and Pulitzer Prize.

    Student body

    Student enrollment statistics from the 2018-2019 academic year (rounded):
    Undergraduates 20,000
    Graduate and professional students 27,500
    Total 47,500
    12.9% of 64,352 freshman applicants were admitted
    265 National Merit Scholars, 2018 freshman class
    pie chart
    Female 51%
    Male 49%
    17% of freshmen were first-generation college students
    3.79 average unweighted GPA for entering freshman class

    Find more statistics in USC Facts and Figures.
    USC has a large economic impact

    USC first opened its doors to 53 students and 10 teachers in 1880, when the newly founded “city” still lacked paved streets, electric lights, telephones and a reliable fire alarm system. Today, USC is home to 44,000 students and 4,000 full-time faculty, and is located in the heart of one of the most vibrant and diverse cities in the world."

    NOWHERE does it state that it IS" an Olympic training school" nor that IS "their stated goal "
    NOWHERE.
    try checking your facts before you post here.
    your rants against one university, which are filled with falsehoods, is NOT what this thread is all about.



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  • menloparkmommenloparkmom 12453 replies537 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited May 19
    can we get back to the ORIGINAL discussion of FRAUDENT athletic applications to ALL of the colleges involved?
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  • Nrdsb4Nrdsb4 16803 replies156 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Many of these athletes go pro.

    The VAST majority of Div 1 athletes do NOT go pro.
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  • MaineLonghornMaineLonghorn 37832 replies2063 postsSuper Moderator Super Moderator
    MODERATOR'S NOTE: This thread is drifting badly. Please get back to the original topic.
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  • Nrdsb4Nrdsb4 16803 replies156 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Athletes aren't a bunch of dummies who cheat to get into college. In fact, this thread is about non-athletes who cheated to get into college using athletics as a hook.

    Exactly.

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  • momo2x2018momo2x2018 776 replies48 postsRegistered User Member
    I'm not sure if this has already been uncovered, however, I think one of the more shocking aspects of this saga, is the fact some parents and/or students, faked their race on the apps i.e. Marjorie Klapper, whose son is expected to plead GUILTY!

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/444381-students-in-college-admissions-scandal-advised-to-say-they-were
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  • goddess00goddess00 15 replies0 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    The cheating on the SAT and or ACT piggybacks on the enormous abuse of accommodations that a great many students receive these days for ambiguous disabilities like anxiety and eye fatigue and so on--many students are coached on what to say to get diagnosed because most DSM diagnoses are an aggregate of self reported symptoms The percentages have risen dramatically every since it could no longer be noted on transcripts/applications. This was a huge mistake as it created a cottage industry of psychologists and accommodations --if you get double time or even multiple days it enables rampant cheating.
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  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk 2334 replies5 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited May 21
    "Right, because that's a uniquely effective way to cheat. If we care to avoid repeats of this scenario, we ought to be examining the weaknesses in our higher education system and how they were exploited."

    Agree - this side door Singer talked about guaranteed admissions because of athletics, he could bribe the coaches and get them in. He could not bribe the professor of government or quantum physics to do this. That was what he exploited, pretty ingeniously, imo, he wouldn't have been caught if he wasn't ratted out. He had this thing humming. He had applicants who couldn't meet the test minimums and he found a way around that.
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  • MWolfMWolf 1287 replies8 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    @goddess00 Since kids today do, if fact, put a lot more time and effort into academics and ECs, expectations are higher, so the pressure is much higher. Eye fatigue is an issue when kids have 8 hour school days, ECs, and then another 3 hours of homework and studying for exams.

    Many kids are coached, but those are a minority, and usually the kids kids of the very wealthy, whose therapists are there to makes sure that their lives are as easy as possible. Most kids who are even a bit competitive or ambitious, are actually living at the edge of freak-outs over most of their high school years.

    I have had a front row seat to crippling anxiety, and it ain't pretty. A kid would need to be a very good actor to do that repeatedly.

    Truth is, that most highly competitive and ambitious kids are also highly skilled academically. They not only do not request accommodations, but will avoid asking for them. In schools in which kids are trying to one up each other in academic achievements, taking accommodations reduces your social status by a lot.

    The faked symptoms pop up in kids who are ambitious but not academically talented, and want to take a short cut, or with parents who want the social cachet of a kid in an "elite" college, without having their kid actually need to do the work. It's just another thing that they give the kid, like a car on their 16th birthday. Sometimes it's because the parents are pressuring the kid to succeed in ways in which the kid is not talented, so this is a way to make the parents happy.
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  • austinmshauriaustinmshauri 8741 replies321 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    @goddess00: The cheating on the SAT and or ACT piggybacks on the enormous abuse of accommodations that a great many students receive these days....The percentages have risen dramatically every since it could no longer be noted on transcripts/applications. This was a huge mistake....if you get double time or even multiple days it enables rampant cheating.

    How would requiring students to release their medical diagnosis to colleges -- which would be a violation of their HIPAA rights -- have prevented what these people did? They might have had to be more clever about how they cheated, but it wouldn't have prevented it.
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  • EyeVeeeEyeVeee 672 replies7 postsRegistered User Member
    edited May 21
    If we care to avoid repeats of this scenario, we ought to be examining the weaknesses in our higher education system and how they were exploited.
    People are vain, weak, selfish and lack ethics. Is there another problem uncovered by this scandal?
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