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Are colleges at risk of closing?

CCEdit_SurajCCEdit_Suraj 116 replies184 threads Editor
edited July 28 in College Admissions
A recent article lists colleges that might be at risk of closing. Dave Berry examines the predictions.

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  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston 15908 replies1063 threads Senior Member
    edited July 22
    He lists several public universities in the Perish category. Political considerations would make that unlikely, as Pennsylvania has discovered in trying to rework the 14 PASSHE college.

    Also the data set shows Fordham in the Perish group while the graphic shows Fordham in the Survive group. Just happened to notice that on a quick glance. There may be other inaccuracies.
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  • RichInPittRichInPitt 2492 replies42 threads Senior Member
    PASSHE has indeed faced opposition over the years.

    But overwhelming passage of Act 50 (47-3 and 195-7) tells me that even the opponents realize the system won’t survive as is. I suspect other states will observe the same.

    “ Pennsylvania’s State System of Higher Education is in the midst of a redesign, and it's being bolstered by recent legislation passed by the General Assembly. Last week, the Pennsylvania Legislature approved House Bill 2171, which allows the State System to make reforms. It was passed by both chambers with very little opposition.
    ...
    The bill gives the state system a process to create, expand, transfer, and/or affiliate institutions to adapt to the changing market of higher education.
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  • PublisherPublisher 11632 replies155 threads Senior Member
    Could not read the entire list, but did enjoy the chart which listed these 13 schools as "thrive":

    Harvard
    Northwestern
    Michigan
    Cornell
    University of Georgia
    University of Mississippi (Ole Miss)
    Clemson
    Bowdoin
    Swarthmore
    Colgate
    Howard
    Gonzaga
    Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham
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  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston 15908 replies1063 threads Senior Member
    @Publisher University of Alabama at Birmingham thriving, Brown University merely surviving?
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  • PublisherPublisher 11632 replies155 threads Senior Member
    edited July 22
    @TomSrOfBoston: Not my list. If you disagree, then your argument is with NYU Professor Galloway, not with me.

    P.S. Nevertheless, I do not necessarily disagree with Prof. Galloway's characterization of those two schools. UAB is a very important school & medical school in the University of Alabama system, and Brown probably has the lowest endowment among the 8 Ivies.
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  • PublisherPublisher 11632 replies155 threads Senior Member
    Yes, but an interesting aspect of Prof. Galloway's list is that Northwestern, Harvard, Michigan & Cornell are on the same list as Georgia, Mississippi, Howard, Gonzaga, and UAB.
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  • raincatraincat 231 replies9 threads Junior Member
    Is there any way to see the complete lists of schools?
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  • PublisherPublisher 11632 replies155 threads Senior Member
    There is if you use the links contained in the article cited in the post which started this thread.
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  • chmcnmchmcnm 780 replies6 threads Member
    I was able to download the spreadsheet with all the data points. Not all schools are on the list. I was interested in a few that weren't.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 83947 replies745 threads Senior Member
    chmcnm wrote: »
    I was able to download the spreadsheet with all the data points. Not all schools are on the list. I was interested in a few that weren't.

    In the spreadsheet that can be found by digging through links (it is linked from the "USS University" entry in his blog*), he shows how he gets value and vulnerability.

    Value is a combination of credential (USNWR ranking, admit rate, and search volume), experience (Niche student life grade), and education (15 year NPV, 30 year NPV, and instructional pay per student). It is likely that not everyone agrees with the choice of proxies for components of value here...

    Vulnerability is based on (lower) endowment per student and (higher) percentage of international students. Again, it is likely that not everyone agrees with the choice of proxies.

    Thrive = high value, less vulnerable
    Survive = high value, more vulnerable
    Struggle = low value, less vulnerable
    Perish = low value, more vulnerable

    *Although he likens universities to cruise ships, the prefix "USS" or "United States Ship" refers to ships commissioned into the US Navy. Cruise ships are commonly named without a prefix.
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  • CheeringsectionCheeringsection 2766 replies83 threads Senior Member
    @chmcnm how did you download the data? I cannot do a thing with it when I pull it up.
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  • chmcnmchmcnm 780 replies6 threads Member
    edited July 23
    @Cheeringsection Go to the page below.

    https://insights.collegeconfidential.com/colleges-on-the-brink

    Then click on the link for his latest blog.

    "lively racket posting his blogs to Business Insider ... In his latest blog/column he talks about"

    Then scroll down to:

    "The worksheet is here. Our aim is to catalyze a conversation about how universities can adjust their value proposition.

    Click on the "here" hyperlink and download.
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  • CheeringsectionCheeringsection 2766 replies83 threads Senior Member
    edited July 23
    Not to be difficult @chmcnm but I’ve done that and all I get is a google doc that is near useless. I cannot even see the full name of the universities in the first column.
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  • Mwfan1921Mwfan1921 5567 replies93 threads Senior Member
    Not to be difficult @chmcnm but I’ve done that and all I get is a google doc that is near useless. I cannot even see the full name of the universities in the first column.

    Have you tried accessing the document from Galloway's blog? https://www.profgalloway.com/uss-university
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  • chmcnmchmcnm 780 replies6 threads Member
    edited July 23
    You end up here when you click on the latest blog link.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/scott-galloway-colleges-must-cut-costs-to-survive-covid-2020-7?fbclid=IwAR1xLiDo7nooY-lekNjLvYO3XAdpn1XWfZuWgp1hJgNcJq7KtV0UXG1INnc

    Then scroll down to:

    "The worksheet is here. Our aim is to catalyze a conversation about how universities can adjust their value proposition.

    Click on the "here" hyperlink and download.

    It opens a Google doc. It's in Sheets format. You go to the top and click file > download. You can pick Excel format.
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  • CheeringsectionCheeringsection 2766 replies83 threads Senior Member
    Thanks I think it worked. Must have been too much traffic on the sheet earlier as those steps were not options.
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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 6936 replies171 threads Senior Member

    I looked at the charts on my phone and it was tough to follow.

    I looked at the NE schools with B as the first letter.

    Boston College. Thrive.
    Boston University. Survive
    Bowdoin. Thrive.

    Did I read this correctly.

    Could someone post the thrive and survive groups. It would be a useful list. Despite the issues with any lists.
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  • chmcnmchmcnm 780 replies6 threads Member
    Perish:
    Adelphi University
    Augustana College
    Baker University
    Bard College
    Beloit College
    Bennington College
    Bethel University
    Biola University
    Brandeis University
    Campbell University
    Chapman University
    Clark University
    Clarke University
    College of Saint Benedict
    College of the Atlantic
    Concordia College at Moorhead
    Cornell College
    Covenant College
    Daemen College
    Denison University
    DePauw University
    Dickinson College
    Drew University
    Drexel University
    Earlham College
    Eckerd College
    Elon University
    Florida Institute of Technology
    Fordham University
    Franklin and Marshall College
    Franklin College
    Gannon University
    Gardner-Webb University
    George Fox University
    Harding University
    Hofstra University
    Illinois Institute of Technology
    Kent State University at Kent
    Kenyon College
    Knox College
    Lake Forest College
    Lawrence University
    Lipscomb University
    Long Island University
    Loyola University Chicago
    Luther College
    Macalester College
    Maryville University of Saint Louis
    Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
    Meredith College
    Mount Holyoke College
    New Mexico State University-Main Campus
    Nova Southeastern University
    Oberlin College
    Ohio Wesleyan University
    Pace University
    Pacific University
    Pitzer College
    Robert Morris University
    Sarah Lawrence College
    Seton Hall University
    Simmons University
    Skidmore College
    Smith College
    St John's University-New York
    St Lawrence University
    St Olaf College
    St. John's College - MD
    St. John's College - NM
    Tennessee Technological University
    The College of Idaho
    The College of Saint Scholastica
    The College of Wooster
    The New School
    The Sage Colleges
    The University of Texas at Dallas
    Union University
    University of Alabama in Huntsville
    University of California-Santa Cruz
    University of Detroit Mercy
    University of Hartford
    University of Indianapolis
    University of La Verne
    University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth
    University of Missouri-St Louis
    University of New England
    University of St Francis
    University of the Incarnate Word
    University of the Pacific
    Wartburg College
    Wilkes University
    Willamette University
    Yeshiva University
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