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Ivy League Colleges and First Generation Students

LZHopeLZHope 68 replies17 threads Junior Member
This seems to be a neglected topic on here, and I was wondering:

What are the prevalence of first-generation students who attend Ivy League schools?

What are your experiences?
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  • BKSquaredBKSquared 1772 replies8 threads Senior Member
    First Gen is becoming a thing at a lot of elites. For Yale's Class of 2023, 17% were first gen vs 12% legacy! https://admissions.yale.edu/sites/default/files/2023classprofileweb.pdf
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  • LZHopeLZHope 68 replies17 threads Junior Member
    edited August 5
    Hmmm...I'm not sure if that is representative of most Ivy League schools though.

    The Department of Education "defines a first generation college student as a student both of whose parents did not complete a bachelor’s degree, or in the case of students who live with and are supported by only one parent, a student whose only such parent did not complete a bachelor’s degree."

    But most college "count students as first generation college students ONLY if neither parent attended college at all after high school" I agree with that definition as well.
    edited August 5
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  • BKSquaredBKSquared 1772 replies8 threads Senior Member
    The data on first gen by school is probably available by internet search. I also think the AO's will provide that info if you ask.
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  • mountainsoulmountainsoul 186 replies2 threads Junior Member
    15% of Penn's 2023 class were first-generation students. Penn defines first-generation students as those whose parents have not completed bachelor's degrees.

    https://admissions.upenn.edu/admissions-and-financial-aid/what-penn-looks-for/incoming-class-profile
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  • happy1happy1 24435 replies2460 threads Super Moderator
    Being first generation won't get a person into a college that he/she is not otherwise qualified to attend.
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  • LZHopeLZHope 68 replies17 threads Junior Member
    There's no need to be rude.

    I know that I won't be attending an Ivy League college for a long time,
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  • skieuropeskieurope 41659 replies7999 threads Super Moderator
    LZHope wrote: »
    There's no need to be rude,

    MODERATOR'S NOTE: Nobody was rude. Don't conflate rudeness with frankness.
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  • LZHopeLZHope 68 replies17 threads Junior Member
    I may not be qualified *at the moment* considering my GPA, but I do have national awards, and I intend to maintain a every high GPA in college. I will be qualified in three years.
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  • GlobalFencingMomGlobalFencingMom 54 replies0 threads Junior Member
    Being "First Gen" is in vogue and is a hook. It is another way colleges are attempting to diversify the community of their college. Being "First Gen" will, IMHO, get you a little more leeway in terms of GPA/Rigor/ECs. How much is "a little".... I guess it depends on the college and the institutional need and how you stack up against other "First Gen" kids applying. This, again IMHO, is the same as for URM. A First Gen / URM who has stellar academics is like a unicorn to AOs. They will all want that person. This is why you hear of X person who gets into every Ivy and Elite school they apply to. They are absolutely qualified and colleges want to report that they are not just admitting a homogeneous applicant pool. So, and since you did not post your quals, if you have the stellar academics and package yourself up well in the essays I think you will get many offers. If you have "less than" academics and rigor but package yourself up well in the essays then you have a "hook" but how weighty that hook is will be determined by the other "First Gens" in the applicant pool. HTH and Good Luck!
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  • LZHopeLZHope 68 replies17 threads Junior Member
    "A First Gen / URM who has stellar academics... They will all want that person. This is why you hear of X person who gets into every Ivy and Elite school they apply to. They are absolutely qualified and colleges want to report that they are not just admitting a homogeneous applicant pool." That is so true.

    Thank you for your reply, GlobalFencingMom.
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  • Eeyore123Eeyore123 2189 replies25 threads Senior Member
    Note however that the impact described above Is likely much greater on first year admissions than transfers. The number of transfers at elite schools is very low.
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  • LZHopeLZHope 68 replies17 threads Junior Member
    edited August 7
    If you want to know my qualifications, GlobalFencingMom, I can tell you if you wish.

    I went through severe extenuating circumstances during high school, earning a cumulative 3.0 GPA because of that (though I had an upward trend and took 2 APs) I attended a public high school. Aside from that though I have received many awards in piano, including a rare national award and 150 volunteer hours. I am first generation, and an underrepresented minority.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 84654 replies752 threads Senior Member
    BKSquared wrote: »
    First Gen is becoming a thing at a lot of elites. For Yale's Class of 2023, 17% were first gen vs 12% legacy! https://admissions.yale.edu/sites/default/files/2023classprofileweb.pdf

    Considering that the population of 18-year-olds whose parents did not attend/graduate college (depending on which definition of "first generation" you use) is far greater than the population of 18-year-olds with at least one parent who graduated from Yale, it would seem that first generation students are still greatly underrepresented at Yale compared to Yale legacies.
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  • austinmshauriaustinmshauri 10181 replies393 threads Senior Member
    Are you applying as a transfer for your junior year? I think it will be more difficult to find the number of transfer students who are 1st generation. That would be interesting to know.
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  • BKSquaredBKSquared 1772 replies8 threads Senior Member
    ^^ You can say that of pretty much any subgroup at Yale, but that wasn't the question. The original question was the prevalence of first gen students at Ivies. For the Yale class of 2023 there are over 40% more first gen than legacies, or about or about 264 vs 186.
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  • LZHopeLZHope 68 replies17 threads Junior Member
    I don't agree with you, @BKSquared .

    @austinmshauri , thank you for your response. Myself being first generation, low income, and an underrepresented minority, it would be. (Not to sound too self involved.)
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  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone 25280 replies20 threads Senior Member
    LZHope wrote: »
    I may not be qualified *at the moment* considering my GPA, but I do have national awards, and I intend to maintain a every high GPA in college. I will be qualified in three years.

    I don't understand. Are you apply for grad school in 3 years? I don't think first generation matters for grad school at all as, by that time, YOU will have attended and graduated from college so no point in giving an advantage because your parents couldn't help you prepare for college. If you are thinking of transferring in 3 years, again, the schools may not think they need to give an advantage as you've proven you can do college level work.
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