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Rank the universities of the WORLD

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  • Old CampusOld Campus Registered User Posts: 114 Junior Member
    Stop This Isanity!
  • ScrewedHopefulScrewedHopeful Registered User Posts: 141 Junior Member
    How successful are Oxbridge undergraduates at applying to top US Grad Schools (HYPSM) as opposed to ivy league undergraduates?

    I have heard that US grad schools favor Oxbridge applicants because of their depth of specialized education. Can anyone verify this?

    And, can it not be assumed that Oxbridge is probably better for undergrad education, while US unis are better for graduate school?

    With regards to the Oxford/Cambridge prestige thing, I think it is assumed that Oxford is best/most respected for the humanities, while Cambridge is for sciences. Is this correct?
  • HuzefaHuzefa Registered User Posts: 105 Junior Member
    Guys, guys, guys.....I think this post has been going on for too long (it took me a hr to read 200 posts!) and its time to conclude.

    Topic: Rank the universities of the WORLD

    So how are the universities ranked: By quality of undergrad education? sports? athletes? beautiful monument? prestige? Think about it. What are we talking about what: most beautiful or most all rounded or huge endowment or the most no of reserch papers a year??

    So when you think about it, you realize that its very diificult to rank uni. Rankers are bound to bias towards certain qualities. So how do we rank them?

    For that we need to understand what a Uni is? and whats it goal?
    A university is an institution of higher education and research, which grants academic degrees at all levels (bachelor, master, and doctorate) in a variety of subjects. A university provides both tertiary and quaternary education. The word university is derived from the Latin universitas magistrorum et scholarium, roughly meaning "community of masters and scholars".

    So there are two primary goals of a uni; to confer degrees and to research. I hope everyone agrees with me till here.

    In higher education, college and university rankings are listings of educational institutions in an order determined by any combination of factors. Rankings can be based on subjectively perceived "quality," on some combination of empirical statistics, or on surveys of educators, scholars, students, prospective students, or others. Such rankings are often consulted by prospective students as they choose which schools they will apply to or which school they will attend.

    Right? So everybody agrees that rankings are individual, based on variety of factors as the individual feel adequate. So ranking are subjective.

    But if everbody agreed to the previous argument, then since the goal of a univerity is to research. We may thus rank the Unis in order of the number of paper each year and the quality of research. Fairly simple, isn't it?
  • HuzefaHuzefa Registered User Posts: 105 Junior Member
    yes it is very simple, but no body wants such ranking. coz not all Unis can produce equal amount research paper or can afford to have billion $$$ in endowment. So each Univ justifies by promoting itself in a unique way.

    Oxbridge does it by giving the most specialized undergradute degrees with one-on-one tutorial with world leading scholars. By giving such amazing education in the most inspiring enviroinment, they tend to attract the best who will later be inspired enough to continue research in their Univerity.

    To understand what inspiring means, I think everyone here should visit this site: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/cambridge-gallery.htm

    similarly, HYPDCB tend to attract the best US students, who are best in the country and will be the future leaders in their field. American Education is for the undecided or those who ar interested in number of subject. Thats the best part of a liberal education.

    Different people will have different idea of education. That doesn't make anyone of them wrong or some more right. Some people may think liberal arts education is a waste of time, when you can specialize in your field of interest with master from Oxbridge (or any other UK uni) in 4 years, while the same would take six year (A.M.) in US.

    So basically its all a individual perspective.
  • HuzefaHuzefa Registered User Posts: 105 Junior Member
    ScrewedHopeful: yes thats the common belief (i agree with you), thought we cannot definitely prove anything :)
  • SteveUKSteveUK Registered User Posts: 27 New Member
    Oh, and another thing... when I said I was ranking them for undergraduate studies, I meant I was ranking them in terms of prestige and competitiveness (which often go hand in hand). I have no idea what the ranking would look like if based on quality of undergraduate education, but I suspect slightly different!
  • SteveUKSteveUK Registered User Posts: 27 New Member
    Pacers: Sorry for dredging up an old thread! I just searched through the forums for 'Oxbridge' and it's what I found - I should have been more careful. We can let this thread die another death now, if that's what people want... (although I suspect people are as interested in this topic now as they ever were.)

    P.S. The US is 6 hours behind, not ahead. ;)
  • ScrewedHopefulScrewedHopeful Registered User Posts: 141 Junior Member
    How successful are Oxbridge undergraduates at applying to top US Grad Schools (HYPSM) as opposed to ivy league undergraduates?

    I have heard that US grad schools favor Oxbridge applicants because of their depth of specialized education. Can anyone verify this?

    And, can it not be assumed that Oxbridge is probably better for undergrad education, while US unis are better for graduate school?

    With regards to the Oxford/Cambridge prestige thing, I think it is assumed that Oxford is best/most respected for the humanities, while Cambridge is for sciences. Is this correct?
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