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Hamas Is In Control

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  • guguruguguru Registered User Posts: 407 Member
    "Let me ask you a question about newspapers- What would happen if I took my little list and published it into a newspaper and distributed it throughout Egypt, Syria, or the Palestinian territories?"

    First off, the arabs will make sure ur little list could not be published into a newspaper and distributed, and if it was, then the arabs would make thier own lists using thier sources, which you would probably claim as being false and biased.

    "If you think that all of these suicide bombings are "sad and terrible" (which all violence is), then why won't you recognize them as terrorism? That is clearly what they are."

    By using that statement you are now saying that Israel itself uses terrorism. They use violence, they kill/detain and torture civilians (whether civil. are killed purposely or not is the subject of another debate). These two factors make Israel a state that sponsors terrorism.
  • Cuse0507Cuse0507 Registered User Posts: 4,519 Senior Member
    hmh, thank you once again for proving my point. Israel does not target civilians. There are numerous reports of Palestinian children being arrested in your link. If Israel was targeting civilians, those children would not be arrested but would be shot on the spot.

    Also, your link claims that Israeli forces surrounded the house of a terrorist and detained his family. If Israeli forces were as bad as you all say they are, they would have leveled the block instead of risking the lives of their soldiers in a risky ground operation.
  • hmh01hmh01 Registered User Posts: 61 Junior Member
    Dude,

    take the time to read. stop being so ignorant. Look and READ. are you heedless of the facts.

    you are clearly welcoming and condoning what just happened last week by Israel.

    Clearly this is what you believe.

    "Jewish blood and a goy's (gentile's) blood are not the same." Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, Inferring that killing isn't murder if the victim is Gentile. Jerusalem Post, June 19,1989.

    And clearly this is a sign of cowardness, trying to evade the facts and trying to justify what Israel does and claiming all Palestinians are not human beings.
  • guguruguguru Registered User Posts: 407 Member
    "That is right, because Israel does NOT openly target civilians."

    PLEASE TELL ME WHY WOULD THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT MAKE THIER OWN LIST OF CIVILIANS THEY HAVE KILLED?????

    These lists must be made by outside sources, and never will a western source make such a list.

    "guguru, I will quit pestering you on this issue once you acknowledge that Hamas is a terrorist group"

    First off, i want you to adress other issues i have made that you are eluding. second, if you agree that israel is a terrorist state then both sides will balance out and i can get back to hw.
  • Cuse0507Cuse0507 Registered User Posts: 4,519 Senior Member
    [qoute]By using that statement you are now saying that Israel itself uses terrorism. They use violence, they kill/detain and torture civilians (whether civil. are killed purposely or not is the subject of another debate). These two factors make Israel a state that sponsors terrorism.[/qoute]

    Cool. By that definition every country on the planet sponsors terrorism, as we all have killed innocents at one point in time. And according to you it doesn't matter if the killing was intentional, so I guess we all support terrorism. Pretty neat, I guess.
  • Cuse0507Cuse0507 Registered User Posts: 4,519 Senior Member
    [qoute]PLEASE TELL ME WHY WOULD THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT MAKE THIER OWN LIST OF CIVILIANS THEY HAVE KILLED?????[/qoute]

    I didn't get my list from the Israeli government, I got it from the media. The media lets me know every time there is an explosion in the Palestinian territories, and it tells me which terrorist leader was killed as well as how many innocent bystanders were involved. They would surely have reported it if Israel was targeting civilians...
  • hmh01hmh01 Registered User Posts: 61 Junior Member
    Read Cuse -- I urge to read.



    Released by The Regional Council for Unrecognized Villages

    On Tuesday, January 17, 2006 in the early morning about 200 Israeli soldiers came with two bulldozers to demolish several houses of Bedouin families living in the Naqab.

    At 7 o'clock they started demolishing the house of Khaled al Nasasra living in the unrecognized village of Abu Solub, leaving him, his wife and his seven children with no dwelling. Right afterwards the soldiers moved on to another unrecognized village called Tlal Rashed where they pulled down the home of Khaleel Al-Hauashla. Another house of Al-Ataiga has been demolished in an unrecognized village just behind Rahat.

    All those families are left with nothing but despair. They have no alternative accommodation for the night, making the situation worse is the fact that it is winter and very cold and rainy outside.


    Pictures of House Demolition in Abu Solub. Note that the Bulldozers being used are made by VOLVO - Click on thumbnails to view pictures

    Residents of the unrecognized villages - Israeli citizens - cannot build their houses legally, lacking any government planning policy in their villages and the government even acknowledges that this "illegal" building is done out of necessity. Nevertheless home demolitions are carried out in order to make the population abandon the land and force them into the government established 'concentration towns' to vacate the lands for Jewish settlements. The townships however are unable to absorb the entire population of the unrecognized villages.

    This is a shamefully racist policy that is destroying the lives of entire families whose homes have been destroyed. Furthermore, this policy is clearly in violation of Israel's Basic Laws.

    Before houses are demolished the state does not investigate a family's living alternatives and all those families of Tuesday's demolitions are left with no accommodation. What is making the situation worse is the way that demolitions are carried out - in a very brutal and cruel way. A large group of soldiers with their riffles in their arms, entering a family's home in the early morning and chasing everybody out, irrespective of the women and little children. Those women and children were left alone, crying out of fear and desperation, with no psychologist or anyone else to take care of them.

    It is known that there are another 10.000 houses that the government wants to demolish because they were built without building permits. At the same time there are 1000 houses in Jewish settlements that were also built without permit, but not even one of them is subjected to demolition order.

    Arabs are citizens of Israel - same as Jews - and should be treated equally. The government has to support those citizens and not destroy their homes.

    The Association of the Naqab as well as the Regional Council for Unrecognized Villages has decided to rebuild the houses that were demolished yesterday because those families cannot be left without dwelling during winter season. We also wish to contact the acting PM Ehud Olmert because the situation can not continue like that. Houses cannot be demolished, especially not when it is as cold and rainy outside as it is now but an appropriate solution must be found for the Arabs living in the Naqab, helping them instead of destroying their lives.
  • Cuse0507Cuse0507 Registered User Posts: 4,519 Senior Member
    [qoute]you are clearly welcoming and condoning what just happened last week by Israel. [/qoute]

    I am condoning the arrest of suspected terrorist leaders, not the killing of innocents. You are welcoming and condoning suicide bombings in shopping malls. Which is worse?
  • guguruguguru Registered User Posts: 407 Member
    Exactly, good one, finally you have made a good analysis. yes, by my definition every state sponsors terrorism. In a way this is true. Many states have/currently are sponsoring terrorism. But lets look at it this way, Israel was wrong to take Palestinian land in the first place. They are continuing thier soverign state sponsored terrorism. America attacked Iraq and afghanistan, while civilians were killed, we killed it to rid the world of threats like Osama and Saddam. Israel is not doing that. Israel is terrorizing Palestinians who are right in fighting for thier land back by n e means necessary.
  • Cuse0507Cuse0507 Registered User Posts: 4,519 Senior Member
    hmh,

    Cry me a river. I asked you for evidence of Israeli soldiers specifically killing civilians with the sole purpose of killing as many as possible. So far you haven't been able to provide me with any, which only proves my point even more.
  • Cuse0507Cuse0507 Registered User Posts: 4,519 Senior Member
    [qoute]Israel is terrorizing Palestinians who are right in fighting for thier land back by n e means necessary. [/quote]

    NO. Not by any means necessary. There is NO excuse to kill civilians, anywhere, any time.

    How can you condone killing civilians? How????

    Suppose you take my car. Is it right for me to kill your family because of that?

    How can you support blowing up innocent people??? I don't understand how that is logically possible...
  • guguruguguru Registered User Posts: 407 Member
    "I didn't get my list from the Israeli government, I got it from the media. The media lets me know every time there is an explosion in the Palestinian territories, and it tells me which terrorist leader was killed as well as how many innocent bystanders were involved. They would surely have reported it if Israel was targeting civilians..."

    NO SHIZZLE you got it from the media. THE MEDIA WHICH WILL ONLY WRITE ABOUT WHEN ISRAELIS ARE KILLED. It will never tell you the proper amount of civilians killed, only arab newspapers will. but i doubt they are ur sources. I BESEECH YOU TO GO BACK AND READ MY POST ON THE ECONOMICS OF NEWSPAPERS.
  • Cuse0507Cuse0507 Registered User Posts: 4,519 Senior Member
    guguru, were you one of the people jumping up and down in delight on 9/11?
  • Cuse0507Cuse0507 Registered User Posts: 4,519 Senior Member
    Sorry man, but the media does write about it when Palestinians are killed. Trust me, I lived 6 miles from the Gaza strip, I heard an explosion, a few hours later I turned on CNN and it told me how many Palestinians were killed, how many were injured, and what they were doing at the time.

    But according to your logic killing civilians is fine...
  • Cuse0507Cuse0507 Registered User Posts: 4,519 Senior Member
    guguru,

    If I went out an killed an arab because of 9/11 would you be happy for me?
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