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The public university crisis

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  • yikesyikesyikesyikesyikesyikes Forum Champion U. Michigan Posts: 1,817 Forum Champion
    This article's tier system seems really silly. Michigan would be tier 3 according to them, but their endowment eclipses most of tier 1, potentially also when considering endowment per capita.

  • CU123CU123 Registered User Posts: 2,828 Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    The tier system is not the question here, the paper had to define a river system somehow and elected to do it this particular way. The outcome data is what’s interesting.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 73,665 Senior Member
    Only interesting if you think the tiers make sense. They don't.

    More interesting would be if comparison groups controlled for other factors. E.g. public versus private schools of similar selectivity, if you want to compare public versus private. Or tiers based on admission selectivity if that is what you want to compare. Of course, outcomes need to be adjusted for the majors that students select.
  • CU123CU123 Registered User Posts: 2,828 Senior Member
    @endowment per student is a much better indicator of the financial well being of a university.
  • CU123CU123 Registered User Posts: 2,828 Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    @ucbalumnus Tiers make perfect sense, let’s just reverse them if that makes you happy, or just call them group A, B , C. Private research universities, LACs, and public universities. Does that help you look at the data....

    Btw most people more or less group them this way.....a few try to group top public’s with top privates, but it’s just not realistic.
  • menloparkmommenloparkmom Registered User Posts: 12,688 Senior Member
    "a few try to group top public’s with top privates, but it’s just not realistic."
    yeah right.
    so says the unbiased [?]U of Chicago graduate...............
    [-(
  • CU123CU123 Registered User Posts: 2,828 Senior Member
    Here is another article from a different thread on journalism....

    excerpt:

    Almost half of the people who end up at the pinnacle of the journalism profession attended an elite school and were likely in the top 1% of cognitive ability. This means top 1% people are overrepresented among the NYT and WSJ mastheads by a factor of about 50. Roughly 20% attended an Ivy League school. Writers are more cognitively able than editors, as measured by elite school attendance. Almost every elite journalist surveyed graduated from college and the majority did not actually major in journalism. Roughly 80% of typical journalists overall graduated from college. Only a handful of select schools feed the mastheads of the NYT and the WSJ, suggesting the importance of networks gained at these schools.

    You'll notice that not a single public schools was considered "elite" in this study until you start including some graduate schools. My point is not that private schools are better (which they are :)>- ), but what can be done about public universities to keep them from falling further behind. They were once the great American bastions of knowledge and education, now their undergrad programs are rapidly sinking under the weight of an unsustainable financial dogma imposed upon them by government.
  • MrElonMuskMrElonMusk Registered User Posts: 1,268 Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    My point is not that private schools are better (which they are

    SMH....

    You have a clear bias against public institutions.
  • sushirittosushiritto Registered User Posts: 2,564 Senior Member
    I watch "journalists" on TV all the time, from the WaPo, NYT, etc. I'm not impressed. "Likely in the top 1% of cognitve ability"? Puh-leeze. Spare me.

    You've got a one-person war against public schools going on a few threads and from my perch, it's getting old and stale.
  • gallentjillgallentjill Registered User Posts: 1,879 Senior Member
    Writers are more cognitively able than editors, as measured by elite school attendance.
    Am I reading this right -- the article is equating cognitive ability with elite school attendance? Isn't that a bit circular?
  • CU123CU123 Registered User Posts: 2,828 Senior Member
    Might want to talk to the NYT about that, anyway this thread is winding down so I'll have a new one on the "golden glow" effect in a couple of weeks when I get around to it.
  • twogirlstwogirls Registered User Posts: 6,718 Senior Member
    I guess there is a fork in the road that we are not aware of. Public university grads go left.... at your own risk... and private school grads go right... where you will receive the golden ticket.

    OK.... now we know.
  • CU123CU123 Registered User Posts: 2,828 Senior Member
    I don’t think I’m really saying that but if you think that I’m fine with it.
  • twogirlstwogirls Registered User Posts: 6,718 Senior Member
    You are against public schools. It's getting old.
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