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Help identify some engineering program reach schools for DD'19

ilovebillyjoelilovebillyjoel Registered User Posts: 60 Junior Member
DD'19 is interested in civil or environmental engineering and has a 4.3 GPA, 32 ACT superscore, decent ECs, awards in school every year, and leadership positions. We need help identifying reach schools. Location and size not a big concern although smaller would be better. Thanks!
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Replies to: Help identify some engineering program reach schools for DD'19

  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 1,747 Senior Member
    edited July 11
    A start for you

    Reaches and high matches but not impossible with your d basic profile. This includes a few top state flagships without microscopic oos chances

    Lehigh Olin Harvey Mudd U Rochester Smith
    Purdue UIUC Northeastern UWash. UWisc Madison u Miami cwru
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 70,525 Senior Member
    Cost constraints?

    Unweighted GPA?

    State of residency?

    Safeties?
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 18,615 Senior Member
    Why does it need to be a reach? She's qualified for plenty of engineering schools. Why not go with what she likes?
  • CorbettCorbett Registered User Posts: 3,438 Senior Member
    edited July 12
    Most (all?) US states should have at least one public university with a civil engineering program, which could be anywhere from acceptable to great in terms of quality. That will most likely be the least expensive option.

    If smaller is better, then small schools with CivE tend to represent the following general categories:

    1. Traditional liberal arts colleges with engineering. Cozy undergraduate-focused campus atmosphere may be attractive. However, technical depth in CivE may be limited, especially at LACs like Smith or Swarthmore, which have general engineering but not CivE specifically. Other LACs, like Bucknell or Lafayette, do have traditional CivE programs, but depth may still be limited compared to larger schools.

    2. LAC-sized but engineering-focused schools. Examples: Harvey Mudd, Olin, Rose-Hulman. As with traditional LACs, may have general engineering (Mudd, Olin) or CivE specifically (Rose-Hulman). Tend to have nerdier campus atmospheres than traditional LACs. Rose-Hulman, like many tech-focused schools, has predominantly male enrollment.

    3. Small traditional universities. Examples: Case Western, Lehigh, Tufts. Good technical depth in CivE but still small by university standards. Lehigh may have the most traditional campus atmosphere, including Division I sports.

    4. Small engineering-focused universities. Includes privates (RPI, WPI, Stevens) and state schools (Colorado School of Mines, Missouri S&T). Good technical depth in CivE, but still small by university standards. Tend to have nerdy campus atmospheres and predominantly male enrollment, which may or may not be appealing.

    If any of these categories seem like particularly good or bad fits, that might help to narrow it down.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 70,525 Senior Member
    Re: #4

    Would categories 2 and 4 be basically the same type of school? (Also, wouldn't the "mines" schools in SD and NM be additional low cost options in this category?)
  • CorbettCorbett Registered User Posts: 3,438 Senior Member
    edited July 12
    Would categories 2 and 4 be basically the same type of school?
    Cat2 schools like Mudd or Olin don't actually have a CivE major, which seems very different from Cat4 schools like RPI or Stevens. I could see Rose-Hulman as an unusually small Cat4 school. There are no 'bright lines" here.
    Also, wouldn't the "mines" schools in SD and NM be additional low cost options in this category?)
    NM Tech and SD Mines are public schools with a reputation for strong OOS merit aid. However, these schools are significantly less selective than the others, and seem like "safeties", rather than "reaches" for a 32 ACT.

    The post was not intended to provide an exhaustive listing of all possible options in each general category. The idea was that the OP might have a preference for one general category or another, in which case additional options could potentially be suggested.
  • RightCoasterRightCoaster Registered User Posts: 2,342 Senior Member
    She could look at a reach school like Cornell. She'd have a good chance of merit $$ at WPI and RPI.

    Academically she has a decent shot at getting in anywhere. She's going to have to decide what she really wants in a school first.

    Good luck, she'll do great!
  • ilovebillyjoelilovebillyjoel Registered User Posts: 60 Junior Member
    Dunno, college counselor said to pick at least 1 from each category.
  • ilovebillyjoelilovebillyjoel Registered User Posts: 60 Junior Member
    Thanks! We're both weary of the process already!
  • MastadonMastadon Registered User Posts: 1,613 Senior Member
    @ucbalumnus -

    In the Carnegie classification system, the Basic Classification (used by US news) categorizes schools by the level of degree offered, based on that criteria

    Group 2 offers Batchelors degrees

    Group 4 offers Phd degrees

    Rose Hulman has some small masters programs, but those programs are not big enough for it to be classified as a masters university

    In terms of size of their Batchelors Engineering programs,
    Rose Hulman is about the same size as Stevens
    WPI and RPI are much bigger
    Mudd and Olin are much much smaller
  • MastadonMastadon Registered User Posts: 1,613 Senior Member

    For both Civil and Environmental Engineering your daughter is going to want to have the option of getting licensed to maximize career flexibility and advancement. This means that she will need to attend a school with at least an ABET accredited Civil Engineering degree program, but preferably, it should also offer an ABET accredited Environmental Engineering degree. These are not very common.
    Each state licensing board has its own laws regarding engineering
    licensure, however, there is a general four-step process for licensure
    candidates:
     Step1) Earn a degree from an ABET-accredited engineering
    program.
     Step 2) Pass the F.E. exam.
     Step 3) Gain acceptable work experience (typically a minimum of
    four years). In most cases, this must be completed under the
    supervision of a P.E.
     Step 4) Pass the P.E. exam in the appropriate discipline (most
    states now have tests in environmental engineering).
     Step 5) Many states require ongoing continuing education.
    http://www.aeespfoundation.org/sites/default/files/pdf/difference-between-licensure-and-certification-for-environmental.pdf

    Here is a list of schools that offer ABET accredited Environmental Engineering Degrees
    http://main.abet.org/aps/accreditedprogramsearch.aspx

    It is also good to look into how female friendly the program is.

    Good luck!
  • intparentintparent Registered User Posts: 34,205 Senior Member
    Mudd is a pretty high reach with a superscored 32.
  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 1,747 Senior Member
    edited July 14
    Harvey Mudd is a top school. They just announced the hiring of two new computer science professors. Their undergrads? One went to UC Riverside and one went UNevadaLas Vegas. I think the desire and need to seek out ABET accredited engineering from “reaches” shouldn’t consume the young student.
  • aquaptaquapt Registered User Posts: 1,361 Senior Member
    If she is very environmentally inclined, SUNY ESF could be worth a look. It's a small school in its own right (1800 students) and environmentally focused (no traditional CivE, but several enviro engineering majors including Environmental Resources Engineering and Bioprocess Engineering)... but its students can also take advantage of cross-registration at Syracuse University (which has its own Civil & Environmental Engineering department), and participate in the campus life of Syracuse in addition to ESF. Syracuse itself could be a possibility as well, but it's a lot larger and a lot more expensive.

    Also, UVM is a relatively small flagship U (12K students) with twice as many out-of-state students as Vermonters, and particular strength in all things environmental. Beautiful setting and great vibe. Their Civil & Environmental Engineering department could be a great option for your daughter, combining some of the best attributes of a public flagship and a private U.
  • CorbettCorbett Registered User Posts: 3,438 Senior Member
    edited July 15
    For both Civil and Environmental Engineering your daughter is going to want to have the option of getting licensed to maximize career flexibility and advancement. This means that she will need to attend a school with at least an ABET accredited Civil Engineering degree program, but preferably, it should also offer an ABET accredited Environmental Engineering degree. These are not very common.
    It's true that you probably want to be licensed these fields, which in turn means that you want an ABET degree. However, it won't matter if the degree is ABET-accredited for Civil or Environmental specifically; the only box that state licensing boards need to check is "ABET-accredited engineering program" in general.

    In other words, you could qualify for either the Civil or Environmental PE exam with a degree that was ABET-accredited in either field. In fact, you could even qualify with an ABET-accredited degree in a completely unrelated branch of engineering, like Nuclear or Industrial.

    It's not unusual for top schools to be ABET-accredited in Civil, but not in Environmental. UCLA, Stanford, and Wisconsin are examples.
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