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The Modern Public Ivies

benferrarabenferrara 0 replies1 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1 New Member
So by now a lot of people have seen the Richard Moll 1985 list of public ivies, but now, almost thirty years later, it is in need of an update. Some schools still are worthy of the title "public ivy" like UC Berkeley and UVA for example. But Miami University and University of Vermont are hardly "public ivies"

In your opinion, what are the public ivies of today? I tried to choose schools that are academically diverse, and for this reason, I did not choose some highly ranked schools like Georgia Tech, that are more geared toward specific majors and studies.

My list (in no particular order):

University of Washington
UC Berkeley
University of Michigan
University of Wisconsin
University of Illinois
University of Texas Austin
William and Mary
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  • SikorskySikorsky 5745 replies106 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 5,851 Senior Member
    t is in need of an update.

    Really, I beg to differ. You've named some of the outstanding public institutions of higher learning in the U.S., but not all of them. "Public Ivies" is a useful term if you're trying to come up with an eye-catching title that will sell books. It has virtually no value for anything else.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 76099 replies663 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 76,762 Senior Member
    "Public Ivy" probably most accurately describes Cornell's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, College of Human Ecology, School of Industrial and Labor Relations, and College of Veterinary Medicine.
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  • Erin's DadErin's Dad 32858 replies3603 discussionsSuper Moderator Posts: 36,461 Super Moderator
    Miami University and University of Vermont are hardly "public ivies"
    It's nice to have an opinion. What is yours based on?
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  • seekereseekere 62 replies19 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 81 Junior Member
    UMD should be there! I would argue that only UNC and UVA are true public ivies though..
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  • AlexandreAlexandre 24266 replies431 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 24,697 Senior Member
    There is no such thing a a "Public Ivy", no more than such a thing as a "Southern Ivy" or a "New Ivy". Those are just sensationalized titles designed to grab the attention of a naive audience.

    As far as the top public universities are concerned, I would say that the list in the OP is about right. I think Georgia Tech, Maryland, Penn State and UCSD should also be included. There are so many excellent public universities.
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  • XtremePowerXtremePower 1653 replies8 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,661 Senior Member
    UWash, Maryland, Penn State, UCSD, Vermont, Miami U, Ohio State are just average publics.

    Public Ivy's:
    University of North Carolina- Chapel Hill
    University of Virginia
    University of Texas at Austin
    University of Michigan- Ann Arbor
    University of Wisconsin- Madison
    University of Illinois- Urbana Champaign
    University of California- Los Angeles
    University of California- Berkeley

    Total: 8
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  • LakeWashingtonLakeWashington 8845 replies470 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 9,315 Senior Member
    I toss my vote to Sikorsky and Alexandre. The term was just a marketing gimmick. Really, what information or insight does it bring? There are absolutely great state universities and colleges out there. But they are a different animal from Ivy League colleges. Better? Who can say. It's up to the individual, as always.
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  • barronsbarrons 23029 replies1951 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 24,980 Senior Member
    Well, "Ivy League" was a marketing gimmick created by a newspaper guy at one time. The term is short and conveys what most think it does. Thus a good choice of term.

    The Straight Dope: Why do they call it the Ivy League?
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  • happy1happy1 22407 replies2183 discussionsForum Champion Parents, Forum Champion Admissions Posts: 24,590 Forum Champion
    ^^^Yes, I agree. The Ivy League schools are the Ivy League schools and that is it. Any other use of the term is simply a marketing ploy. But let's all remember that the Ivy League began as a sports conference -- there are many other tremendous schools out there. Every person needs to seek out the right academic, social, and financial fit and each school has its unique positives and negatives to assess.
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  • collegedadnhcollegedadnh 143 replies5 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 148 Junior Member
    I never saw Moll's original list but I assume public Ivy simply means public schools having a level of prestige close to that of the Ivies themselves. To me, UC Berkeley and UVA are the only obvious choices with UNC still climbing but not quite there yet. If its 8 publics to match the 8 Ivies then I'd go with XtremePower's list.
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  • NamelesStatisticNamelesStatistic 558 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 558 Member
    "Public Ivy" is a fairly ridiculous term especially since the range in prestige is both your list and the original list is huge. In terms of "wow factor" and overall prestige of the university Berkley is probably the only university on this list that can compete with a private Ivy like Harvard, or Princeton. I think that the creation of the term public ivy is a bit misleading because it implies that these schools are similar to ivy league schools, which as most of the universities in this list are large research universities, is not the case. However it is a nice tool to point out there are some very good public schools in the US.

    However I do like your revised list. It would be a good candidate list for top public universities in the US.
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  • informativeinformative 1890 replies10 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,900 Senior Member
    Being a public ivy is like winning the NIT.
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  • xiggixiggi 24569 replies872 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 25,441 Senior Member
    The term is short and conveys what most think it does. Thus a good choice of term.

    Must work for the Saturday afternoon football crowd!

    Of course, what most people have in mind when describing the Ivy League is ... an athletic conference that prohibits athletic scholarships and comprises eight highly selective private schools that graduates most of its students after four years of undergraduate studies, and hardly accepts any JUCO or CC transfers.

    Obviously, such description fits the suggested schools to a tee! Just as John Deere fits the description given to Bentley and Rolls Royce.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 76099 replies663 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 76,762 Senior Member
    Columbia and Cornell do admit substantial numbers of transfer students, although they do not seem to indicate the sources of the transfer students (whether CCs or other four year schools).
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  • barronsbarrons 23029 replies1951 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 24,980 Senior Member
    No, the "public ivies" produce a large portion of the advances in science and most other fields, serve as significant intellectual assets to their states/nation, educate a large number of the best local students and the majority of leaders in their home states. And some have decent football teams.

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