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Forbes 2013 Rankings are up

nostalgicwisdomnostalgicwisdom Registered User Posts: 1,347 Senior Member
edited August 2013 in College Search & Selection
America's Top Colleges - Forbes

In the top 10- Stanford, Pomona, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, Swarthmore, USMA, Harvard, Williams, and MIT
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  • HuntHunt Registered User Posts: 26,917 Senior Member
    I guess I can live with Yale being number 4 as long as Harvard is number 8.

    Nice ranking for Washington and Lee.
  • nostalgicwisdomnostalgicwisdom Registered User Posts: 1,347 Senior Member
    Some interesting things I noticed:

    1) The top 10 list contains virtually the same schools as last year, though MIT is coming in and U'Chicago is going out.
    2) The Ivy League did much better this year, with all 8 ranking in the top 20.
    3) Liberal art colleges seemed to have gotten the shaft this year. Noticeable cases: Haverford, Middlebury, Carleton, Harvey Mudd
    4) State universities did better than last year, with 5, UCLA, UCB, UVA, UNC, and UM all placing in the top 40 institutions.
    5) Some schools seem to be underrepresented in this list: Rice, Vanderbilt, the above LACs, Johns Hopkins, WUSTL, USC
    6) Claremont McKenna, Bucknell, Emory, and Iona were excluded from the rankings due to publishing faulty data.
    7) They didn't use the Who's Who list this year. Instead, they compiled a list from Forbes's many lists. This may have helped out the Ivy League and hurted the liberal art colleges.
    8) Despite RMP being a significant part of the ratings, it doesn't seem to have helped out liberal art schools. Stanford and Princeton have higher RMPs than Swarthmore and Williams (http://centerforcollegeaffordability.org/uploads/2013_Component_Rankings.pdf)
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Registered User Posts: 10,362 Senior Member
    If you don't like the rankings this year, do not worry. Next year they will once again change dramatically. Just another garbage listing provided by Forbes.
  • beyphybeyphy Registered User Posts: 2,237 Senior Member
    I lol'd at this
    The biggest mover-shaker was Morehouse College, the only all-male historically black college in the U.S., who jumped 235 spots to No. 285.

    they give some justification for why there are such dramatic shifts though:
    The real change agent here — felt throughout the list — is our switch from using “Who’s Who” to a newly compiled list of America’s Leaders to determine post-grad success. It’s a far more inclusive catalog that relies on many of FORBES’ franchises (Power Women, 30 Under 30, Midas List) as well as prizewinners in the arts, sciences and more. The end result is a less clubby and more democratic list of people — and colleges — who matter most.

    It's unfortunate that they chose to USN&WRify their rankings to make them seem 'legitimate' and 'make sense' for the most part anyway (I suspect these rankings mirror the peer assessment scores.)

    The biggest snub is to Harvard, having three ivy-league schools placed ahead of it; that's not even including it's cross-country rival Stanford, which takes the top spot.

    And they at least got some data legitimately wrong about UCLA. They list its admit rate at 27%, whereas it's listed as 22% for fall 2012:

    Profile of Admitted Freshmen, Fall 2012 - UCLA Undergraduate Admissions

    Overall Forbes ranking is still making sweeping jumps in methodology and is too unpredictable from year to year to be taken seriously (and yes I'm ****ed about UCLA's placement similar to other peer universities.)
  • nostalgicwisdomnostalgicwisdom Registered User Posts: 1,347 Senior Member
    Beyphy- They are also accounting a new "Forbes Financial Grade" which may have accounted for some of the differences.

    Behind Forbes Financial Grades - Forbes
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Registered User Posts: 10,362 Senior Member
    "Overall Forbes ranking is still making sweeping jumps in methodology and is too unpredictable from year to year to be taken seriously (and yes I'm ****ed about UCLA's placement similar to other peer universities.)"

    I think they got UCLA about right. ;-) j/k
  • JuniorMintJuniorMint Registered User Posts: 1,491 Senior Member
    Reed at 65 and Tulane at 128, hmm...

    Although it's nice to see UVa and UMich finally holding hands. ;)

    I feel a little sad for Bephy and UCLA though. :(
  • IvytIvyt Registered User Posts: 3,531 Senior Member
    Ranking is a joke.
  • nostalgicwisdomnostalgicwisdom Registered User Posts: 1,347 Senior Member
    I think the top 25 is fine- the schools on it can switch in whatever order, and it'd be quality.

    It goes downhill after the top 25.
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Registered User Posts: 10,362 Senior Member
    ^^^^I'd say after the top 30. :-)

    I do like Ohio State at #138. That seems a bit high though. ;-)

    Michigan State at #154 seems about right :-)

    Wayne State at #494 is ridiculously low. It should easily be in the 300 something range! :-(

    Btw, these rankings are ridiculous.
  • circuitridercircuitrider Registered User Posts: 3,007 Senior Member
    Liberal art colleges seemed to have gotten the shaft this year. Noticeable cases: Haverford, Middlebury, Carleton, Harvey Mudd

    The categories do not all appear to have been adjusted for scale. For example, the post-graduate Leaders List and Competitive Awards together comprise 33% of the scores.
  • nostalgicwisdomnostalgicwisdom Registered User Posts: 1,347 Senior Member
    I'm not sure about that. According to http://centerforcollegeaffordability.org/uploads/2013_Component_Rankings.pdf

    Amherst ranks 8 for American Leaders Rank and 11th for Student Awards
    Carleton- 77/16
    Harvey Mudd- 242/6
    Haverford- 45/24
    Middlebury- 89/39
    Pomona- 31/8
    Swarthmore- 9/3
    Williams- 16/13

    So some LACs do rank quite high in either category.
  • collegesgalorecollegesgalore Registered User Posts: 27 New Member
    almost all my schools went up in the rankings so that was good. penn state went up almost 100 places-not sure what could have changed that much! also interesting that they left out bucknell and the three other schools that admitted to lying about sat scores
  • beyphybeyphy Registered User Posts: 2,237 Senior Member
    JuniorMint wrote: »
    I feel a little sad for Bephy and UCLA though. :(

    Don't, I'm doing fine ;)

    These rankings aren't even done by the same person that previously did them. And this new woman, the face of the rankings, already made herself look dumb saying that those in the 'Top 100' are America's top colleges in the ranking, even though the ranking itself is called 'America's top colleges' and ranks 650 schools, indicating that these 650 are America's top colleges. If they, in fact, are not, what's the point of ranking the other 550?
  • nostalgicwisdomnostalgicwisdom Registered User Posts: 1,347 Senior Member
    no, they are. They were ranked by the Center for College Affordability this year, last year, and the year before. There's just a different author for the article.

    I agree, that comment was really uncalled for.
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