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Williams vs Northwestern

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  • MrAustereMrAustere Registered User Posts: 364 Member
    @ClassicRockerDad Thanks for the input on Swarthmore. Are there any other schools you wouldn't recommend for me?
  • ClassicRockerDadClassicRockerDad Registered User Posts: 6,365 Senior Member
    Off the top of my head, Oberlin, Brown (as you seem to already know), Vassar, Bard, Hampshire.
  • PostmodernPostmodern Registered User Posts: 1,200 Senior Member
    Koch funding available to challenge any independent thinker from the right.

    My point: Why would the Koch brothers fund challenges to thinkers from the right when they support them? What am I missing?
  • ClassicRockerDadClassicRockerDad Registered User Posts: 6,365 Senior Member
    My point: Why would the Koch brothers fund challenges to thinkers from the right when they support them? What am I missing?

    Maybe I should have said they fund (challenges from the right) to (independent thinkers). Independent thinkers being anybody that may have an independent opinion of their own that may differ from the Koch platform. Basically, they have been supporting primary challenges from people more conservative than independent thinking Republicans who consider compromise with Democrats. That is what I mean by a challenge from the right.
  • CHD2013CHD2013 Registered User Posts: 2,528 Senior Member
    edited October 2016
    These schools are very different. Several good examples of differences can be found above. I'm concerned that the OP has not given enough thought to fit - since I think its unlikely that someone who has would consider these 2 schools their top 2 choices. OP, in the long run you will be happier and make better school selections if you can really identify what type of environment will make you happiest - and focus your application list accordingly.

  • prezbuckyprezbucky Registered User Posts: 4,313 Senior Member
    edited October 2016
    I don't want you to shortchange what might otherwise be a great school for you, based solely on political beliefs. You will find a mix at most schools -- heck, at every school -- and polite discourse is a good thing.

    What I think is more important for you to avoid is a high level of political activism -- the in-your-face mentality might be a bit much.

    Williams and Northwestern aren't particularly known for activism. I think that list might include schools like Oberlin, Hampshire and Wesleyan. Maybe add Vassar and Swarthmore -- quite left, though i''m not sure how heavily into activism they are.

    But the existence of fairly pleasant, polite, and fair debate should not dissuade you from any school. It's the stuff of life and, given the vitriol we witness from both (all) sides in an election year, such practice will help you and your classmates become the solution.
  • MrAustereMrAustere Registered User Posts: 364 Member
    @CHD2013 I've done a great deal of thought on the environment and location of these two schools. I have lived both near a big city, and in a very rural location in my life. I know that I enjoy both.
  • PostmodernPostmodern Registered User Posts: 1,200 Senior Member
    Maybe I should have said they fund (challenges from the right) to (independent thinkers).

    OK, I will accept you at your word that it was ineffective sentence structure, but I must say that explanation doesn't make a lot of sense to me given the context of the full statement:
    Intellectual conservatives in office are an endangered species these days due to the Koch funding available to challenge any independent thinker from the right.

    It clearly indicates you said: Intellectual conservatives are endangered due to Koch funding. Since the Kochs are conservative, I continue to believe it is possible you made a mistake -- which is OK, btw, we all do.
  • ThankYouforHelpThankYouforHelp Registered User Posts: 1,295 Senior Member
    And the Kochs are the primary funders of numerous conservative think tanks, presumably employing conservative intellectuals.

    https://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/01/31/12105/koch-brothers-pour-more-cash-think-tanks-alec
  • ClassicRockerDadClassicRockerDad Registered User Posts: 6,365 Senior Member
    OK, I will accept you at your word that it was ineffective sentence structure.

    Thank you.

    Conservatives who can think independently of the Koch minions are endangered by Koch funding. That is why there is no longer any debate. Nobody is listening to each other anymore. That is why everyone is so polarized and why campuses have run amok with groupthink and why a conservative student like the OP has trouble finding a decent place to go to college where he/she won't be red meat for the wolf pack.
    presumably employing conservative intellectuals.

    I won't comment other than to let you read "Dark Money" by Jane Mayer.
  • PostmodernPostmodern Registered User Posts: 1,200 Senior Member
    Conservatives who can think independently of the Koch minions are endangered by Koch funding. That is why there is no longer any debate. Nobody is listening to each other anymore.

    Conservatives are endangered because of... other conservatives?

    I did not know this.

    Let me get some popcorn.
  • marvin100marvin100 Registered User Posts: 9,801 Senior Member
    It's actually kinda true--there's been a coup on the right, funded by the Kochs. But the process started by the Kochs and the Tea Party they astroturfed has given even them their comeuppance--Trumpism is a natural evolution of the rhetoric of the Kochist right, but even the Kochs didn't see him coming. I don't know where the GOP is going, but it's interesting, that's for sure.
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 11,778 Senior Member
    edited October 2016
    There are different strains of conservatism. There is the Trumpist/nativist strain (arguably descending from Buchanan's paleoconservatives). There are the "Main Street" conservatives like Luger and Bob Dole who use to be the right wing of the GOP but now are the moderate wing (because they were willing to compromise some times) as the GOP marches towards wingnuttery. There are the (extreme) economic libertarians like the Koch brothers. There are also social conservatives and a small contingent of interventionalist neoliberals who mostly care about invading other countries. There use to be socially liberal, fiscally responsible Rockefeller Republicans in the GOP but they've pretty much been completely wiped out at the national level. Anyway, because the extreme economic libertarians like Koch, Club for Growth, and various Tea Party groups primaried Main Street Republicans and caused the GOP to be the party of intransigence, extremism, and no-compromise, they left a big opening and (an increasingly frustrated; and frankly, bigoted) GOP base that someone like Trump (who, IMO, is, in both temperament and knowledge, too unsteady and ignorant to have the world's most fearsome military and nuclear arsenal at his command) could exploit.
  • circuitridercircuitrider Registered User Posts: 3,094 Senior Member
    edited October 2016
    This has very quickly turned into a "Goldilocks" thread. And, by that I mean, the OP appears to have a couple of deal-breaking requirements that are slightly at odds with each other, making it very difficult to find the right fit or what is far more likely, the correct ED choice in a situation where he hasn't visited any of the colleges he is considering.

    In this case, the OP wants to attend a prestigious college or university (probably, outside The South, though he hasn't actually put that into words) that won't have "a lot of raging liberals." Mind you, he doesn't say he wants to be around lots of conservatives. If it were a matter of simply finding his "peep", the choice would be simple: pick the larger school. Rather, he is turned off by social activism.

    Let's face it, social activism is code for gender or racial politics. No one gets riled up enough to get into anyone's face over the repeal of Dodd-Frank or right to work laws or the desirability of a public option in our health care system - even assuming they know enough about these issues to have an opinion in the first place. But, how to find a college or university prestigious enough to be among the top fifty destinations for higher learning in the country, but, apathetic enough to have had no Black Lives Matter demonstrations over the past year or any confusion over bathroom designations or whether "yes means yes"? That's a pickle.

    Personally, I'd start with athletic conferences. You want a college (more likely a university) that is Division I. Why? Because any college with a sizable minority population (and that includes most of the Top Fifty) had better have an active sports scene to keep everybody too busy to demonstrate about anything. A corollary to that would be a college with an active fraternity and sorority scene. Look at the Clery Act statistics for the Big Ten and Pac Ten universities; they are among the lowest for reported rape and sexual assault for colleges their size in the country. Whether that's because they actually have fewer rapes and assaults is anybody's guess, but, my own opinion is that it is because the culture makes it less likely for these things to get litigated in public.

    In short, it leaves out the Ivy League, NESCAC (really, most LACs located anywhere In the country.) It does leave quite a few flagship publics. It also includes a couple of large private universities like Stanford and Northwestern and some interesting exceptions to the LACs like, Colgate, Lehigh, Lafayette, and Davidson.

    Hope this helps.
  • MrAustereMrAustere Registered User Posts: 364 Member
    @circuitrider Correction: I have visited NU, but I have yet to visit Williams. I'm hoping to do so in the next few weeks. Anyway, you seem to think NU is the way to go for my standards?
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