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Do the Ivies (and other top schools) secretly suck?


Replies to: Do the Ivies (and other top schools) secretly suck?

  • prof2dadprof2dad Registered User Posts: 694 Member
    Some at Wharton think they are both competitive and collaborative: https://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/student-voices/wharton-is-competitive-and-collaborative/
  • PengsPhilsPengsPhils Registered User Posts: 2,981 Senior Member
    You're right that they are not mutually exclusive inherently, but for many, they can be. It's a common scenario that collaboration becomes easier with a lack of competitiveness and that a strong competitiveness can stomp out collaboration. On both, it's a "can", not an "always".
  • Penn95Penn95 Registered User Posts: 1,978 Senior Member
    edited April 21
    @prof2dad yes that is true in my experience. Penn is both competitive and collaborative. People really push themselves and are super ambitious and can be intense but they are mainly competitive with themselves. Most also take the time to help other people out and also work together on homeworks, interview prep etc.
  • marvin100marvin100 Registered User Posts: 9,014 Senior Member
    For those of you who do not wish to read through the articles, some of the main points include:
    - stressed and depressed students
    - many students' laser-like focus on a superficial definition of success (e.g. students giving up on their passions to go into finance or consulting)
    - alongside the focus on "success", an apathy towards intellectuality and a lack of passion for ideas
    - an unfriendly, competitive, and cutthroat environment
    - a student body that isn't all it's hyped up to be (lots of mediocre people who have rich parents), with many uninteresting and/or moronic people
    - unchallenging academics and massive grade inflation
    - instead of teaching the ability to think critically, top schools merely prepare students for life in business and the professions

    Which of those "main points" do you think less prestigious or selective schools are immune to? The Ivies (and similar) aren't magical dreamlands, but the problems here are at least as prevalent in lesser-known schools as well.
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