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Just Got Off Brown's Waitlist! Ross vs Brown?


Replies to: Just Got Off Brown's Waitlist! Ross vs Brown?

  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk Registered User Posts: 2,215 Senior Member
    Exactly, if you wanted to drop out of Ross and major in econ at UM, it has an excellent econ program, top-10 or 15, some rankings top-5.
  • happy1happy1 Forum Champion Parents, Forum Champion Admissions Posts: 24,504 Forum Champion
    I would give Brown the nod for both academics and placement (I know people who have attended both schools). Unless you crave that huge school experience, I'd opt for Brown in a heartbeat.
  • billcshobillcsho Registered User Posts: 18,405 Senior Member
    Both are great schools for your intended majors. You may want to list out what you like and dislike about each school and also compare their cost. They are very different in many aspects, so the decision should not be very difficult after you go through your list.
  • HRSMomHRSMom Registered User Posts: 4,643 Senior Member

    But pick the campus that best fits you bc there is literally a hairs width between them.
  • ConsolationConsolation Registered User Posts: 23,020 Senior Member
    My opinion is probably worthless to you, because I have a tremendously strong bent towards the liberal arts, ad I'm an Ivy-oriented New Englander to boot.

    I would pick Brown, unless there was a meaningful financial difference favoring Michigan.

    I'm looking mostly at the intimacy, scale, and quality of the education on a personal level. Certainly both are great schools, and you could do well at either. I wouldn't go into big debt for Brown.
  • TooOld4SchoolTooOld4School Registered User Posts: 3,299 Senior Member
    What is the net cost at both? Unless there is a significant difference I would lean toward Michigan because of the more complete college experience and Ross reputation.
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Registered User Posts: 10,521 Senior Member
    "Brown has a more diverse student body. At Michigan, half of the students are from, well, Michigan."

    ..........and that means what? Rhode Island is a tiny state with a small population.
  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk Registered User Posts: 2,215 Senior Member
    They're both great and as someone said they're different enough which could make the decision a little easier. And you're comparing a program at one school that doesn't exist at the other. So it's not really apples to aples that way either. If you're interested in staying in the northeast, slight edge to Brown, if you're thinking of outside of NE and internationally, slight edge to Michigan.
  • yikesyikesyikesyikesyikesyikes Forum Champion U. Michigan Posts: 1,958 Forum Champion
    They are very different schools, and would both do well in Investment Banking recruiting. Choose based on fit and cost.
  • Much2learnMuch2learn Registered User Posts: 4,772 Senior Member
    @rjkofnovi it means that the student body is heavily MI centric and has little African American or Latino component. With 57.8% of students being from MI.

    I think the chance to meet diverse people is limited at Michigan vs Brown.
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 21,848 Senior Member
    Right, because there are hardly any African Americans in Michigan?

    Racial diversity is just one point and Michigan is pretty diverse. I think Michigan might have more economic diversity, students with different life experiences, students of different ages, marital status, military service. There are people who would prefer Brown, but I'd prefer Michigan. OP can decide which school he likes better because academically they are both great.
  • bopperbopper Forum Champion CWRU Posts: 13,904 Forum Champion
    How do you feel about Football?
  • mommyrocksmommyrocks Registered User Posts: 1,218 Senior Member
    edited August 2017
    For what it's worth, anyone who attends an Ivy can forever after network in Ivy only networking groups. These include Ivy alumni groups on LinkedIn and in cities. In other words, you won't just have Brown graduates to look to for connections and possible job leads -- you will have the entire Ivy league alumni network. Since investment banking largely recruits from Ivies, this will give you a huge benefit, as there are sure to be tons of investment bankers in those alumni groups.

    However, if you are more focused on the next four years than what comes after, and you were excited to live in Ann Arbor and attend football games, and you look forward to flying a U Mich flag on your house one day on football days, then maybe U Michigan would be a better choice for you. Congratulations on these excellent options!

    By the way, I don't think you need to major in finance at all to pursue investment banking, so the Economics major should be fine. I have seen people majoring in engineering and a variety of other majors be recruited for investment banking internships and jobs. The important thing is the quantitative background, so if you study Economics, be sure to take as many quantitative courses as possible (Calculus, statistics, econometrics, finance).
  • AlexandreAlexandre Registered User Posts: 24,693 Senior Member
    edited August 2017
    mommyrocks, there isn't really such thing as "ivy League alumni network". Some Ivies may co-host social events in major cities on rare occasions, but I am a Cornell alum, and I have never seen or heard of an "Ivy League alumni network". And Ivy League alumni do not extend their loyalty and allegiance to all Ivy League alumni, only to alumni of their own Ivy. Also, while we are on the subject, Michigan's alumni network is widely regarded to be one of the largest, most influential and most rabid in the world. According to a Time Magazine algorithm, Michigan's alumni network is tied with Columbia among the most influential and powerful alumni networks in the US. And while you may truly believe that Michigan is just some random state school that offers little else than a spirited athletic following and alumni who care only for planting flags on game day, I like to think there is more to Michigan alums.

    With regards to Wall Street placement, Ross is hard to beat. Brown may match Ross, but it does not surpass it in this domain. Most years 35-40 Ross undergrads join Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley as full time employees. Another 40 or so Sophomores and Juniors intern at those three institutions. Just as many end up at other major financial firms such as Citibank, Barclays, Deutsche Bank, BNP Paribas, Lazard, Blackstone, BoAML etc...

    Much2learn, would you say Stanford lacks diversity? 50% of its students are residents of California. Over 50% of Cornell students are from the Northeast. Close to 50% of Brown's Freshman class last year came from the Mid Atlantic and Northeast. In general, universities tend to be regional. But that does not mean that they are homogeneous. Michigan, like Brown, is extremely diverse. Roughly 3,300 undergraduate students come from the Tristate area. Another 2,000 come from Texas and California. There are also 2,000 international undergraduate students. In other words, there are more undergraduate students from California, Texas, NY, PA, NJ and from overseas at Michigan than Brown's total undergraduate student population. Michigan also has roughly 400 undergraduate students from each of the following states: Connecticut, Florida, Maryland, Massachusetts. Brown is extremely diverse to be sure, but to suggest that Michigan is not extremely diverse as well is to ignore the facts. If a student seeks diversity, he/she will not have to look hard.

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  • Emsmom1Emsmom1 Registered User Posts: 1,062 Senior Member
    OP have you decided yet?
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