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Just Got Off Brown's Waitlist! Ross vs Brown?

RossorBrownRossorBrown 1 replies1 threads New Member
I'd like to pursue some sort of finance, hopefully investment banking. Love Michigan...love Ann Arbor... but Providence is great too, in different ways. Ross vs. economics at Brown? Anyone here have familiarly with both colleges?
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  • merc81merc81 11786 replies201 threads Senior Member
    Do you have a sense of which offer you would have accepted had you received simultaneous admissions? If so, that's the school you should strongly consider attending.
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  • Emsmom1Emsmom1 1008 replies80 threads Senior Member
    I don't know much about finance but was just reading Pedigree (a book about how students from elite colleges get elite jobs) and Brown was mentioned as one of the schools at which the big firms, finance and also consulting, recruit. It talked a lot about how--fair or unfair, and the author of the book argues unfair--where you go to school for these types of jobs matters. Of course, I know nothing about Michigan's program so maybe it's ranked just as highly?
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  • JenJenJenJenJenJenJenJen 1098 replies18 threads Senior Member
    As an aside, did you just today get off the Brown waitlist?
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  • CU123CU123 3708 replies77 threads Senior Member
    edited July 2017
    Little bit of apples and oranges, Ross is a business school (where you would need to choose a business specialty, mrktg, mgmt, etc. ) where at Brown, you would major in economics. Also where would you like to live after college that is relevant too here.
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  • Much2learnMuch2learn 4610 replies168 threads Senior Member
    @RossorBrown Congratulations! You have to decide between two excellent options.

    If you were my kid, I would suggest that you go to the one that excites and motivates you.

    If it were me, I would choose Brown. Brown has a more diverse student body. At Michigan, half of the students are from, well, Michigan. Michigan also has excellent students, but because they have 28,000 undergrads and about a 25% admit rate, they have to focus more heavily on grades and test scores for admissions. In contrast, Brown is a lot smaller with 6,500 undergrads and only a 9% admit rate, which means they can be extremely picky in choosing interesting students for their class. I also prefer the campus at Brown. I would want to walk through the Van Wickle gates this fall if I were you, and I suspect that is what most students in your situation would choose to do.

    Having said that, Michigan offers a world class education and you won't have to spend the rest of your life listening to aunts, uncles and cousins, tell you they never heard of it at family get togethers. Ross is an excellent business undergrad program. If you are more pumped about attending to Michigan, you should go there and never look back.

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  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk 2960 replies5 threads Senior Member
    MIchigan's BBA program is typically ranked in the top-5 or 10 but if you want a career in investment banking you most likely will need a MBA, preferably from a top 10 school in finance. And you don't need an undergrad in business to get into a top business school nor do you need to have a job in finance before b-school. So pick a program that will get you exposure to different industries, maybe different geographies in addition to strong financial theory, so you have good foundation for i-banking.
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  • obsessedwcollegeobsessedwcollege 144 replies10 threads Junior Member
    Although both great options, Investment banking in particular is essentially a prestige game. Get yourself into the best school you possibly can and you position yourself to land IB jobs. Certain schools have stronger placement into IB, which includes Michigan. Although Michigan Ross does have a strong IB connection, Brown will still place you better, being an Ivy.
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  • RossorBrownRossorBrown 1 replies1 threads New Member
    edited July 2017
    "Do you have a sense of which offer you would have accepted had you received simultaneous admissions? If so, that's the school you should strongly consider attending."

    Good way of putting it.

    Probably slight edge to Brown. But now, after I got so caught up and committed to Michigan-Ross the last 6 months, this is throwing me for a loop.
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  • me29034me29034 2056 replies102 threads Senior Member
    Do they cost the same? Is that a consideration for you? And more importantly, have your parents paid the tuition bill for Michigan yet, and if they have, can they get their money back?
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  • prof2dadprof2dad 683 replies11 threads Member
    Ross and Brown are both target schools and will have many IB firms recruiting on both campuses. Brown has the highest average GPA than pretty much anyone. Being an Ivy would surely help as well. There are far more Ross finance students trying to get IB gigs than Brown students, so the intensity of competition can be another factor. But if you really want to learn finance knowledge, Ross is far better equipped with world class finance faculty. In contrast, Brown has a strong liberal arts tradition. Fit is a very individual kind of thing; only you can answer.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 83310 replies740 threads Senior Member
    prof2dad wrote:
    But if you really want to learn finance knowledge, Ross is far better equipped with world class finance faculty.

    Like some other schools which offer economics but not business as an undergraduate major, Brown does have significant finance offerings in its economics department, presumably to help prepare students for Wall Street jobs:

    https://www.brown.edu/academics/economics/index.php?q=undergraduate/course-groupings
    "Financial Economics" group

    ECON 1650 (Financial Econometrics),
    ECON 1710 (Investments I),
    ECON 1720 (Corporate Finance),
    ECON 1730 (Entrepreneural Finance and Venture Capital)
    ECON 1740 (Mathematical Finance)
    ECON 1750 (Investments II: Options and Derivatives),
    *ECON 1759 (Data, Statistics and Finance),
    ECON 1760 (Financial Institutions),
    ECON 1765 (Finance, Regulation and the Economy),
    ECON 1770 (Fixed Income Securities),
    ECON 1780 (Corporate Strategy), and
    ECON 1790 (Corporate Governance)
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  • preppedparentpreppedparent 3341 replies10 threads Senior Member
    I think Ross is gonna get you where you want to go. Brown might, but it will be harder and this may be more of a round about way, without conferring any additional prestige.
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  • Penn95Penn95 2283 replies79 threads Senior Member
    edited August 2017
    @RossorBrown I would go with Brown for two reasons. Firstly, you would get a better and more well-rounded undergrad education at Brown. Secondly, Brown is more of a guarantee for ibanking. It has bigger grade inflation and also being an ivy it is more prestigious than UMich undergrad and is probably a bit more of a target school for elite firms. (That said Ross also does great in that department).

    All that said Ross would be an excellent choice if there is a cost issue or if you really prefer the environment there over Brown.
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  • AlexandreAlexandre 24280 replies434 threads Senior Member
    A lot of very poor advice on this thread. Brown and Michigan are pretty much even when it comes to quality of education and reputation. Graduate school admissions committees, or Corporate HR offices hold Michigan and Brown in equal esteem.

    Michigan proposes an interesting mix of exceptional intellectual opportunities with high powered professional placement. You can receive a world class liberal arts education from LSA by majoring in any traditional discipline you like (if you are interested in IBanking, I would recommend Mathematics, but every single one of LSA's departments is ranked among the top 15 in the nation) while still getting your degree from Ross and having access to its highly structured and aggressive careers office. Roughly 45% of Ross students pursue a dual degree or minor in another field of study.

    When it comes to Brown vs Michigan, I would recommend going for fit. Thankfully, Brown and Michigan are significantly different from each other, so choosing shouldn't be too difficult. You really cannot go wrong either way.
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  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk 2960 replies5 threads Senior Member
    Exactly, if you wanted to drop out of Ross and major in econ at UM, it has an excellent econ program, top-10 or 15, some rankings top-5.
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  • happy1happy1 23974 replies2404 threads Super Moderator
    I would give Brown the nod for both academics and placement (I know people who have attended both schools). Unless you crave that huge school experience, I'd opt for Brown in a heartbeat.
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  • billcshobillcsho 18315 replies91 threads Senior Member
    Both are great schools for your intended majors. You may want to list out what you like and dislike about each school and also compare their cost. They are very different in many aspects, so the decision should not be very difficult after you go through your list.
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  • HRSMomHRSMom 4605 replies50 threads Senior Member
    Brown.

    But pick the campus that best fits you bc there is literally a hairs width between them.
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  • ConsolationConsolation 22898 replies184 threads Senior Member
    My opinion is probably worthless to you, because I have a tremendously strong bent towards the liberal arts, ad I'm an Ivy-oriented New Englander to boot.

    I would pick Brown, unless there was a meaningful financial difference favoring Michigan.

    I'm looking mostly at the intimacy, scale, and quality of the education on a personal level. Certainly both are great schools, and you could do well at either. I wouldn't go into big debt for Brown.
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