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Good/high match schools for Ivy applicants?


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  • twogirlstwogirls 7001 replies7 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 7,008 Senior Member
    Pitt is amazing. I say it all the time.... it's one of my favorites.

    OP you need to discuss finances with your parents so that you can craft a final list. Good luck!
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  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 41131 replies445 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 41,576 Senior Member
    Also, think of the optics if you, possible valedictorian, ended up with only one admission. Apply to another safety just so you can have a choice and the possibility of saying "I'm comparing scholarship offers at ...U and U of ..." to save face.
    It often feels absolutely awful for students who are bright and hard working and don't have an alternative to their one safety so plan for that and make sure you can have two surefire admissions.
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  • porcupine98porcupine98 1593 replies27 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,620 Senior Member
    Exactly. Make sure that whatever happens, when April rolls around, you have a CHOICE to make.
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  • billcshobillcsho 18314 replies91 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 18,405 Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    If you are referring to the mid tier within the top 50, they are still reaches for you and most applicants. These incclude most other schools on your list like UMICH, UVA, etc. You need more matches, the schools that are really between reaches and safeties as you said. After you a have enough matches and at least one safety, then you can feel free to add as many reaches as you want.
    edited September 2017
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  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 41131 replies445 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 41,576 Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    First, find two safeties - schools that share some characteristics with your top schools (program quality, excellence of honors college, availability of co-ops/internships...), where you've run the NPC and know they're affordable. Its often your state flagship, unless you live in Michigan, North Carolina, California, or Virginia.
    In your case tOSU is a perfectly valid pick. You need one more and it doesn't need to be an Ohio Public, it can be an OOS university that will give you sufficient merit for your stats or a private university ranked 50+ (national LACs, national Universities) or top 10 regional Universities. Always run the NPC and look into merit scholarships and honors colleges. (You want a strong Honors colleges with lots of good offerings).
    Apply now, do a good job on these, apply to the Honors college.
    Second, find five matches. If you have Ivy level stats it means colleges where the admission rate is 25-35%(40%). Run the NPC, show the results to your parents: are those affordale for them?
    ONLY THEN can you start on your reaches.

    Can you list your two affordable safeties and 5 affordable matches?
    If not, HURRY. Get a Fiske guide from the library and look for schools through the acceptance rate index in the grey box. Then read the description and if it sounds like a good fit, run the NPC. If it's within your parents' budget, add it on common app or coalition app, fill out the "join our mailing list/requesting info" form to show interest, and consider it one down, four /one more to go.
    Sure it's a rough system but you're running out of time finding them.

    The key here: make sure you have choices.
    If you have an abundance of riches in the spring... Good for you. :)
    The reverse isn't worth risking.
    edited September 2017
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  • momcincomomcinco 1047 replies23 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,070 Senior Member
    OP you are getting some good input. #21 is very detailed and gives specific concrete advice. I hope you come back and let us know how it's going. You have great stats and are obviously a very strong student.

    I just wanted to say, have a money talk with your parents ASAP. A real one, like, get them to say "we can come up with __ amount." Remember that travel, books and laptop or other expenses have to be accounted for as well. Your parents may need some net price calc printouts to look at in order to make it real. This conversation could really be important as you continue your search.
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  • TrapNumenTrapNumen 46 replies76 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 122 Junior Member

    Common app now includes:
    UNC, GA Tech, Emory, the OSU, Miami (the one in Oxford, OH), the UVA, UMich, Yale, Vandy, WashU, UPenn, William and Mary's, Case Western, Rice, Chicago, Princeton, and Wake Forest.

    My next step is to start taking schools off the list. As of right now, Princeton and Chicago will be the first to go (too much writing), possibly followed by Wake (lots of small writing supplements) and Emory (not sure how much I would like the division between Oxford and Emory).

    I'll apply EA to OSU, UVA, UMich, Miami, GA Tech, and UNC.

    The idea behind adding Emory, Miami, UNC, Wake, and William and Mary's is that I will apply for scholarships, hopefully getting a or close to a full ride at one. Not necessarily that I will but that way I will have options that vary in rank and price.

    My first choice school is Yale, but I may apply ED to Penn. SCEA at Yale has little/no benefit, while Penn's acceptance goes from roughly 9% RD to roughly 23% ED. Still low but much better. I'm unsure of whether I'll apply to Penn ED or not, I'd like to but I'm unsure if it'll be a cost issue. (Earlier when I said something about FAFSA, I apologize for the phrasing) My family is above the 110K+ income bracket, and using Vandy's calculator as a reference, we'll receive anywhere from $7K-$0 in aid. My parents don't want me to use all my college funds on undergrad (as attending Penn most certainly would) since I plan on going to grad school. If I were to apply to Penn could I expect any aid from the institution? Even $5K/year would go a long way. I know that Ivies tend not to offer merit aid (not that I would qualify for it above any of their other applicants), but since they have such large endowments, could I consider applying ED to Penn? My parents bounce back and forth when talking about cost, but my general understanding is that there is enough saved that I can go almost anywhere undergrad, but it may cost me for grad.
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  • twogirlstwogirls 7001 replies7 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 7,008 Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    I don't think W/M has merit, and I would not count on any merit at all from Emory, UNC or Wake Forest- you really need to offer them something in addition to high scores. These schools meet need so use the NPC and see if you might qualify. OOS acceptance at UNC is tough ( 18%). I think Case Western would give you merit if you show interest.

    Ivies don't offer merit - only need based aid. You need to use the NPC to see if Penn would offer you aid.
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  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 41131 replies445 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 41,576 Senior Member
    Run the NPC on Penn and if they don't offer aid, don't expect any. Show the results to your parents and ask whether they're able and willing to pay that. If not, don't apply ED.
    Don't count on full rides at UNC, Emory, Wake, W&M. They don't offer full rides (unless you're competing for Robertson or MoreheadCain but... those are super high reaches for students they want to
    incentivize away from Harvard) and very few full tuition scholarships. If you have Ivy stats, you may be competitive for Emory scholars but don't count on it and you must show interest.
    You are likely to get a scholarship at Miami so you'll have your guaranteed alternative in the Spring.
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  • IzzoOneIzzoOne 471 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 471 Member
    W&M has the 1693 Scholars merit program, but there are a very limited number and would be very competitive similar to UVA Jefferson and Morehead Cain at UNC. Of those, I think Morehead Cain has about 65 scholarships a year, 35 or so for Jefferson, and 8 or so for 1693. These scholarships are all intended to attract high Ivy quality students. Keep in mind a fair number of these admits are likely in-state students. All three of these are very competitive OOS even for non-merit positions.

    If you could gain admission to Princeton in particular or Yale, you could pretty get a pretty good financial aid package based on your parent's income.

    I'd suggest adding schools like the University of Richmond. Very good school and I think a much higher percentage of students (about 10%) have some form of merit scholarships.

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  • Molson07Molson07 3 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 3 New Member
    UC Berkeley
    Wake Forest
    Notre Dame
    Boston College

    Hope this helps!
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  • austinmshauriaustinmshauri 8417 replies305 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 8,722 Senior Member
    If you file the FAFSA, you'll be able to take the federal student loan. That's only ~$5500/year. If your parents can't pay much, make sure you have a couple of financial safeties on your list.
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  • f2000saf2000sa 1088 replies59 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,147 Senior Member
    Tufts-- on hidden Ivy
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  • carymomcarymom 24 replies0 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 24 Junior Member
    Unless you are from the state of NC - you can only apply for the Morehead-Cain at UNC if you are from a nominating high school (or if their admissions office flags your application if you are from out of state). Not mentioned is The Robertson Scholarship at UNC and Duke - both are full tuition and have an application that is open to anyone on their own website.
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