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2018 US News Best Colleges rankings have been released

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Replies to: 2018 US News Best Colleges rankings have been released

  • Muad_dibMuad_dib Registered User Posts: 547 Member
    Let the hand wringing begin.
  • Muad_dibMuad_dib Registered User Posts: 547 Member
    Ah, the US News rankings. A study in comparing apples to oranges.
  • Muad_dibMuad_dib Registered User Posts: 547 Member
    Reed College is #82. LOL.
  • suzyQ7suzyQ7 Registered User Posts: 2,988 Senior Member
    Becoming test optional helps rankings since test scores are not counted. Talk about gaming he rankings.

    LACs are free to bring in more of the mediocre students (academics) so they can keep their teams in tip top shape (looking at you Bowdoin).
  • bb3nycbb3nyc Registered User Posts: 18 New Member
    I went online early to see the news. Brown was 14, and Cornell and Rice were tied for 15. Vanderbilt followed.

    A couple hours later, I went online to send it to a friend--but by then, Brown, Cornell, Rice, and Vanderbilt were tied for 14.

    This proves my theory that the U.S News rankings are ridiculous and arbitrary if you're judging schools with similar rankings.. Better schools are better than lesser schools. We don't need U.S. News to tell us that. They're just trying (successfully, it seems) to sell magazines.
  • wisteria100wisteria100 Registered User Posts: 2,990 Senior Member
    LACs are free to bring in more of the mediocre students (academics) so they can keep their teams in tip top shape (looking at you Bowdoin).

    For test optional schools, the rankings do include test scores for those who submit, and in Bowdoin's case 90% of applicants do submit scores. Mean scores for SAT are 730-740 per section. ACT mean is 33. So doubt there are a lot of slackers at that school!
  • hzhao2004hzhao2004 Registered User Posts: 495 Member
    U of Michigan seems to have dropped a few spots.
  • GreymeerGreymeer Registered User Posts: 96 Junior Member
    Texas isn't going to be happy. Georgia is now ranked above them.
  • Much2learnMuch2learn Registered User Posts: 4,392 Senior Member
    @Greymeer "The laughable list is the "best value schools" list.

    To evaluate public schools they used only the OOS tuition rate.

    I guess they didn't want a list where schools like Texas AM and UAH were near the top."

    The best value is probably the countries least expensive community college. lol
  • Cue7Cue7 Registered User Posts: 2,243 Senior Member
    @whatisyourquest - you asked how certain schools (like Stanford) can be higher in niche rankings (like engineering, best value, most innovative, etc.), and ranked lower overall than other schools (like Harvard).

    This is because the overall ranking is essentially a prestige ranking - it doesn't care about who teaches undergrads the best, or what school is innovative, or what school is the best value.

    (Similarly, since prestige is the coin of the realm at the top - schools care little about their niche rankings, but care quite a bit about their overall ranking.)
  • akin67akin67 Registered User Posts: 149 Junior Member
    From the National LAC rankings I was surprised to see Hamilton and Haverford drop to 18th position from 12 in last years rankings. These are outstanding and super selective schools. Why the significant drop for these schools? I also noticed that the University of Richmond is continuing its ascent by jumping another 4 slots this year to 23rd position (up from 30 in the 2015 rankings). At this rate they are likely to break the top 20 next year.

    For the first time US News began publishing average pay by major (in partnership with Payscale) but I don't think they used it as a criteria for their rankings.
  • sbballersbballer Registered User Posts: 447 Member
    edited September 12
    @whatisyourquest @Cue7 the overall USNWR measures and puts a heavy emphasis on SAT, retention and grad rates. As far as prestige... look to rankings that do not measure grad rates, SAT and retention rates and the 3 schools that consistently rank high are Stanford, MIT and Harvard. (World rankings such as QS world rankings, Higher Times, Shanghi etc).

    Stanford's SAT scores, retention rates and grad rates will always be lower than non D1 Power 5 conference schools peers. Stanford's athletic program (the best in the country with the most NCAA national championships, 27 medals at Rio Olympics including 14 golds - more than Australia) will always lower these metrics.

    U of Chicago and Caltech which place the least emphasis on sports have the highest SAT scores in the country.

    Basically USNWR games the numbers for the result they want. U of Chicago has the academic chops and a very innovative admissions office that has been able to successfully game the rankings to crack into the top 3.

    will USNWR allow U of Chicago to pass Yale? they will probably change the criteria at that point imo:)
  • whatisyourquestwhatisyourquest Registered User Posts: 602 Member
    edited September 12
    @Cue7 Ok, but does anyone really believe that Yale, Chicago, and Columbia are more prestigious than MIT and Stanford? Yale, Chicago, and Columbia > MIT and Stanford, according to USNWR.

    Here's a prestige (reputation) ranking that makes sense, to me at least:

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2016/reputation-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

    It has Harvard, MIT, and Stanford as 1, 2, 3.

    Edit: This is a cross post with @sbballer , who made the same point as me about prestige. Beat me to it.
  • whatisyourquestwhatisyourquest Registered User Posts: 602 Member
    "U of Chicago and Caltech which place the least emphasis on sports have the highest SAT scores in the country."

    Yes, Caltech has the highest stats out there, a very low student:faculty ratio, lots of spending per degree, and a low acceptance rate (albeit not in Stanford and Harvard territory). I wonder where Caltech gets dinged in the USNWR methodology, such that it comes in at "just" 10.
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