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Vanderbilt (Full-Tuition) vs. Northwestern?

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Replies to: Vanderbilt (Full-Tuition) vs. Northwestern?

  • StanfordGSB00StanfordGSB00 Registered User Posts: 77 Junior Member
    @prezbucky - I agree with prezbucky's grouping. Vandy is a great school but it doesn't have the historical reputation that Northwestern has. Remember that as of 2-3 years ago, Vandy was a school ranked in the 18-22 range, competing with the likes of Emory, Rice, etc. Northwestern has been in the 9-13 ranking spot for the last 30 years. High school students are very impressionable by ranking shifts year-to-year but it takes DECADES to change perceptions. And if you take the average ranking for the last 20 years, Vandy is a top 20 school and certainly not a top 15 school. Based on attending Stanford for my MBA and living / working in NYC at a prestigious investment bank / mega private equity fund: my ranking would be.

    Tier 1A: Duke / Northwestern / Brown / Hopkins / Dartmouth

    Tier 1B: Cornell - I put this here because its selectivity is significantly less than the others. Ask anyone in a high-prestige job in NYC on Wall Street or ask students at top private prep schools (Dalton, Horace Mann, Trinity, Andover, Exeter, etc, ), they will put Cornell a step below the others. As of just a year ago, the average SAT at Cornell was almost a 90-100 points lower than Duke and Northwestern. That's significant. Cornell is really a hybrid of a private ivy league and a top tier public university like Michigan, given its state subsidized schools. Part of prestige relates to exclusivity and selectivity and Cornell is the least selective of the schools in Tier 1A and 1B.

    Tier 2: Georgetown / Vanderbilt / Rice / Wash U / CMU
  • prezbuckyprezbucky Registered User Posts: 4,328 Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    Maybe we can revise it to say that "Private Cornell" belongs with Duke, NU and the rest, while "Public Cornell" belongs with UNLV, or at least the hotel school does. ;-)

    In all seriousness, though, I have Cornell up there primarily because their academic rep seems to be pretty strong across the board, similar to NU and Duke. They aren't as selective, but my tiers aren't looking at that too much -- they're based mostly on perceived academic quality/rep and endowment (the ability to spend money to benefit students...).
  • mamaedefamiliamamaedefamilia Registered User Posts: 3,388 Senior Member
    Weather is better at Vandy, just saying!

    Seriously, great campus, wonderful for pre-med and I imagine that being a Cornelius Vanderbilt scholar comes with some nice perks and extra opportunities. Given the differential in cost, I vote for Vandy!
  • jym626jym626 Registered User Posts: 57,361 Senior Member
    Both are great schools but the Cornelius Vanderbilt is quite an honor. Go for it!
  • COLLWGE1227COLLWGE1227 Registered User Posts: 6 New Member
    Hi all, thank you so much for your responses to the intial question! It truly means a lot to have so many of you giving such thoughtful responses. If anyone has any other thoughts to share, please feel free to do so!
  • LoveTheBardLoveTheBard Registered User Posts: 2,106 Senior Member
    @COLLWGE1227 -- Another vote for Vandy. The CV Scholarship is a great honor and and that nearly $250K of scholarship money will come in handy for med school. Given that she "loves both schools" there's really no reason to pay such a huge premium for her to go to NU (unless you truly have money to burn).
  • katliamomkatliamom Registered User Posts: 12,869 Senior Member
    You have a choice:

    A new top-of-the-line Mercedes in blue, for almost free.... or a new top-of-the-line Mercedes in green for tens of thousands of dollars.

    Which do you pick?
  • manyloyaltiesmanyloyalties Registered User Posts: 88 Junior Member
    edited April 2018
    The Cornell Hotel school is not only private but its alums give more than any other school to Cornell. A hotelie endowed Cornell Tech. It’s graduates work on Wall Street and around the world. Seriously, UNLV? People offer opinions here without factual basis.
  • manyloyaltiesmanyloyalties Registered User Posts: 88 Junior Member
    The cv is not 250, it’s tuition only, that doesn’t change analysis but important to get facts right.
  • manyloyaltiesmanyloyalties Registered User Posts: 88 Junior Member
    Measuring prestige from an IB Office is quite limited and only reflects one point of view. On international rankings Dartmouth and Brown drop out of site and Cornell is top twenty or thirty. Not a Cornell grad but prestige in Darien for Cornell is quite Different than prestige in a London or Tokyo. Again, everything on this site, including my comments, should be taken with skepticism.
  • IWannaHelpIWannaHelp Registered User Posts: 387 Member
    Go to Vandy. Natural science and premed are not the fields you would want to spend much more for. The ROI isn't typically there to justify it even when the two schools are not peers. The decision should be easy now that they are peers.

    @simba9,
    Northwestern has a phenomenal science program called ISP that rivals CalTech in rigor and outcome. It also has one of the best chemistry departments in the world. Northwestern excels in many disciplines, not just Econ and journalism.
  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk Registered User Posts: 2,213 Senior Member
    I would go with Vandy as well because of the savings and being able to put the Cornelius scholarship on resume, linked-in etc, but I have also heard that the Chem program at NU is superb. The other thing that would lean to NU is that if you switch majors, NU is a little better across other majors, esp if you're considering engineering. Say you start out pre-med, and you decide biomed engineering is better and you really like econ or history and would like to minor in it. NU would be the place to attend then.
  • CallieMomCallieMom Registered User Posts: 153 Junior Member
    @COLLWGE1227 , just about all the feedback you have received is consistent. Unless your child is repulsed by Nashville and Vanderbilt, I fail to understand why there is even a question.

    Northwestern is not significantly more prestigious. They are not renowned for "natural sciences". Vanderbilt has a first rate medical school and I can attest they are doing some really interesting and important research. Being close to the medical school is a huge plus. Your child might be able to shadow at Vandy Medical School or take some upper level courses or help with research over the summers.

    Additionally, and just as importantly, it is crazy competitive to get accepted to medical school right out of college. If she needs to work and gain extra experience to beef-up her application post BS degree, having contacts and connections at Vanderbilt is a huge plus. She might be able to get some great job for a year or two in one of their many specialty clinics while she studies for her MCATs and applies to med schools.

    The thought of my child being saddled with the cost of medical school at over 350K (not including the add'l deferred interest costs if she choose to specialize in a field requiring many additional years of commitment) is not just concerning but flat out nauseating.

    One other factor, if she is the recipient of the Cornelius Vanderbilt Scholarship, that is a feather in her cap for future admissions to graduate/medical school.

    So, I would counsel my daughter simply: " if you got, use it!". In other words, take the darn scholarship!

    What are we missing? Why is there even any question about not saving tuition costs now?
  • IWannaHelpIWannaHelp Registered User Posts: 387 Member
    @CallieMom
    Please see my post above. Northwestern is renowned for chemistry. But as I mentioned before, I agree with you that the OP should take the money.
  • JenniferClintJenniferClint Registered User Posts: 485 Member
    edited May 2018
    The OP should know that @prezbucky's list is one person's opinion.

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