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UMich Dearborn or UMich Ann Arbor

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Replies to: UMich Dearborn or UMich Ann Arbor

  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 41,530 Senior Member
    Well, you choose to hear what one poster says, over what everybody else said.
    The reality is that you can't be certain you'll get into UMich or any Master's program if you spend only one year in college and at Dearborn. You simply can't have done in a year everything that others will have over four, no matter how advanced you are.
    Keep in mind you'll be compared to high achievers from the best CS programs. Not high achievers from high school, not average Cs majors from an average university.
    (Doesn't Dearborn have a requirement you spend at least two years there to receive a degree, BTW? Check - most colleges have that 2-year requirement to grant a degree.)
    Perhaps email the CS department at UMich and ask to be put in touch with alumni, graduating seniors, rising seniors to have an idea of what the resume of a top senior from UMich looks like.
  • simba9simba9 Registered User Posts: 3,261 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    My advice was based on the assumption that you wanted to go to work after getting your Bachelors, rather than immediately go on to graduate school. You'll be able to get into grad school somewhere with a degree from UM Dearborn, perhaps a school on the level of Western Michigan or Wayne State. Grad school at Michigan is a different animal, and you should never take it for granted that you'll be admitted, no matter which school you go to for undergrad.

    Why do you want to get a Masters? Do you want to go into academia, or is there a particular field you're interested in and want to study further? Because otherwise you don't need a graduate degree to get a job. Almost nothing beats work experience when looking for a CS job, and a Bachelors with 2 years of work experience will be the equivalent of a 2-year long Masters program on the job market.
  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 4,956 Senior Member
    If I see the question op is asking us is-

    UM D plus Masters degree from an accredited uni in CS is better than just undergrad degree from UM in same time.

    Life wise it’s not better. Ie non school components to life. It’s supposed to be a fun time too

    Job wise probably gets you a better first job relative to age.

    Now if you get into a really good grad school. Plan b is much better job wise. And everyone saying you won’t is good advice. But not certainly true. Maybe they’ll think you’re a prodigy. No one here knows how good you may be.

    We don’t know who you will meet at either shcool what decisions you make. What grad school you’ll attend.

    Make the best of your life for you. But most of us a few years down the line can see the rush to the work life is misguided.

  • iChammoutiChammout Registered User Posts: 9 New Member
    I don’t really care about the so-called “fun” everyone in this thread is saying that college has to offer. To be honest I just want to finish my degree faster and obtain a job. I am a really smart person btw. I have a 4.0 unweigthed high school gpa and don’t see it changing in college because of how hard I work to obtain an “A”. I focus mainly on my studies because I want to have a good career. I know I might come off as a really dark person, but everyone is who they are and this is just my personality haha.
  • simba9simba9 Registered User Posts: 3,261 Senior Member
    I don't know where people are coming up with the idea that one of the purposes of college is to have fun. If you want fun, go to DIsneyland or trek around the world for a year.

    My main concern is the assumption that you'll get into Michigan for grad school.
  • aquaptaquapt Registered User Posts: 1,975 Senior Member
    Wellll... it appears that Dearborn does have a co-op program. https://umdearborn.edu/cecs/undergraduate-programs/co-op-education

    Maybe the best-fit path for you would be to go to Dearborn, but rather than rushing through your degree in one year, get on the co-op path and graduate in two years, with a year of paid work experience already under your belt. (Or whatever timeline actually works when you get down to the details of it.)

    My sense is that this could be the best-of-both-worlds path for you. If you try to finish in one year, you'll be applying to grad schools during your first semester at college and won't have much of an academic record yet *at* college to support your application. If you stretch things a little with co-op, you'll spend significant time working rather than in the classroom - which is what you want - but you'll be able to do grad school apps in the fall of your second year, when you've had more of a chance to prove yourself. And you're likely to get career opportunities through your co-ops that would have been harder to access as a 19 y/o with an academic degree alone.

    JMHO. If you're not into the Ann Arbor thing, let somebody who would give their right arm to go there have the scholarship money! You obviously know what you want and aren't interested in a traditional college experience, but just don't rush through so fast at Dearborn that you miss out on the boost that co-op might have given you.
  • iChammoutiChammout Registered User Posts: 9 New Member
    I would definitely be doing interships and co-ops (maybe with Ford) when I’m at um Dearborn is to gain work experience. A lot of you are saying getting into grad school at Ann Arbor is hard. How hard are we talking?
  • simba9simba9 Registered User Posts: 3,261 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    Go to the following page and select "Computer Science and Engineering" for admission statistics to Michigan's CS and Engineering Graduate program.

    https://secure.rackham.umich.edu/academic_information/program_statistics/masters/

    Basically, it says last year 1335 people applied for 39 positions.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 41,530 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    And all 1335 had six or seven semesters of college grades, a variety of foundational and advanced classes, professional experiences, relevant ECs with leadership (at the college level).
    Your odds of getting into UMich for a master's with a degree you got in one year are between very low and nil.
    Sure, they want a 3.75+, but they want everything else.
    You're likely to need two years at Dearborn anyway, as you'd need to apply to grad school in the Fall of your second year (perhaps during a co-op term). You won't be able to apply to grad school Fall of your first year since you won't have grades yet and most universities require 2 years to grant a degree.
    So your real choice is 2 years at Dearborn plus a shot at perhaps getting into UMich, or UMich for free now.
    You should check whether if you go to UMich and complete enough credits, you'd be able to take master's level classes in your last year.
  • iChammoutiChammout Registered User Posts: 9 New Member
    All in all, I would be doing 5 semesters at U of M dearborn which would be Summer 2019, Fall 2019, Winter 2020, Summer 2020, and Fall 2020 and I will have enough credits to graduate with my bachelors. Also Summer 2019 is right after I graduate High School.
  • iChammoutiChammout Registered User Posts: 9 New Member
    Oh and btw some of you may be confused about the data that Ann Arbor shows for the graduate program. If you look into the statistics even deeper it says that they've admitted 119 students into the doctoral program from 775 applications and only 47 enrolled. You might be calculating acceptance rate as 47 got admitted out of 775 but it is actually 119/775 resulting in a 15% acceptance rate. They also say that PhD applicants can get into the Masters program if rejected from the doctoral program which is another good thing to keep in mind.
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