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The World's Best Universities


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  • marvin100marvin100 Registered User Posts: 9,753 Senior Member
    Makes sense, @gwnorth . I only mentioned Mount A because I have a friend who went there, speaks highly of the experience, and is incredibly well educated and intellectually alive.
  • PublisherPublisher Registered User Posts: 5,379 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Siebel Scholars announced for class of 2019. Founded in the year 2000 to recognize the most talented graduate students in business, computer science, bioengineering, and energy science. Award is based on academic excellence & leadership.

    MBA Schools (5 scholars per each graduate business school):

    Northwestern University (Kellogg)

    MIT (Sloan)

    Stanford GBS

    University of Chicago (Booth)

    COMPUTER SCIENCE grad schools:

    CMU, Princeton, UCal-Berkeley, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Univ. of Chicago, Univ. of Illinois, & Tsinghua University

    BIOENGINEERING graduate schools:

    Johns Hopkins University, Stanford, UC-San Diego, UCal-Berkeley & MIT

    ENERGY SCIENCE graduate schools (one scholar per school):

    CMU, Stanford, Illinois, MIT, UCal-Berkeley, Univ. of Tokyo, Tsinghua University, & Politecnico Di Torino.

    INDIVIDUAL STUDENT profiles are available on SeibelScholars.com
  • 57special57special Registered User Posts: 491 Member
    The trick with the large Canadian schools is to get into a smaller faculty/school. S1 is at Desautels (McGill business school), and doesn't find it at all overwhelming. He loves it, in fact. Being a undergrad Arts student at a place like U of T can be overwhelming till you find your specialized area of interest, which often isn't till junior year.

    I have two nieces that went to Mount A. Both loved it, and thrived there. It is not for everyone, though. For someone like my son, and nephews, it would be hell.

    McGill, UBC, and U of T are really good to great schools in locations that range from good to spectacular. Walking on the beaches around UBC in between classes? Having a dorm halfway up Mount Royal with a great view of Montreal? Chowing down at the incredibly diverse restaurants that surround U of T? Sounds pretty good to me, all while getting a world class education, and at a fraction of the cost that Americans pay.

    Went on a tour of Waterloo(S2 is a CS/Math type). Much less of an urban environment, but still has plenty of amenities. Unfortunately the CS is next to impossible to get into. Has something like a 4% admit rate.
    Western also has a great business school.
    Queens is a very good traditional Uni.
    McMaster is very good for some things. Excellent for clinical Medicine. Again, a more benign, low pressure, small city environment.

    There are some great choices for small schools down in the US. Carleton, near me is wonderful. You're kidding yourself if you think that it doesn't come at a cost premium, though.

  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 14,446 Senior Member
    @gwnorth Unfortunately "small" is not valued in Canadian higher education. I don't know if that is due to Canadian/provincial financing formulas or just Canadian culture. The lack of a private sector in Canadian higher education may be a reason.

    There are major research universities in the US with about 10,000 students: MIT, Case Western, Tufts etc. plus all the selective LAC's. Nothing like that exists in Canada.
  • gwnorthgwnorth Registered User Posts: 235 Junior Member
    @TomSrOfBoston perhaps that's the trade off for having substantially cheaper tuition. In DS19's case as he will most likely be pursuing a degree in the physical sciences at least his classes should be on the smaller size after first year since those programs tend to be less popular.

  • suraydavusuraydavu Registered User Posts: 17 Junior Member
    Good to see this specially those in top 10
  • chingchingdavuchingchingdavu Registered User Posts: 9 New Member
    PR is in 7
  • PublisherPublisher Registered User Posts: 5,379 Senior Member
    On January 26, 2018, MSN MoneyTalk News released a list of the "35 Hardest US Colleges To Get Into".

    This list used acceptance rate percentages and SAT scores from the US Dept. of Education to compile the ranking.Although about 9 months old now, the list offers an interesting perspective.

    1) Harvard
    2) Stanford
    3) Yale
    4) MIT
    5) Caltech
    6) Princeton
    7) Chicago
    8) Columbia

    9) Vanderbilt
    10) Brown
    11) Penn
    12) Duke
    13) Dartmouth College
    14) Harvey Mudd
    15) Pomona College
    16) Northwestern

    17) Rice
    18) Johns Hopkins
    19) Swarthmore College
    20) Claremont McKenna College
    21) WashUStL
    22) Cornell
    23) Amherst College
    24) Bowdoin College

    25) Tufts
    26) Williams College
    27) Georgetown
    28) Cooper Union
    29) Notre Dame
    30) US Naval Academy

    31) USC
    32) Barnard College
    33) UCal-Berkeley
    34) Middlebury College
    35) US Military Academy at West Point
  • MWolfMWolf Registered User Posts: 179 Junior Member
    A. The first question is how did they figure in those two factors? Self selection is a real factor. Let's use UIUC again, and compare it to U of Minn. UIUC's acceptance rate is, officially about 65.6%, while UMN's is 44.6%, so it would seem that UMN is more selective than UIUC, right? However, the middle 50% of ACTs of UIUC admitted undergrads are 27-33 versus UMN's 27-32. Engineering UIUC - ACT 32-35, Engineering UMN 31-34. While using both ACTs and admission rates can deal with this somewhat, it depends on how each factor fits into the rankings.

    B. It doesn't talk about departments. For example, the acceptance rate of UIUC is pretty high, however, if you are trying to be accepted into their College of Engineering, your chances aren't any better than if you were applying for an engineering degree at, say, U of Mich.

    C. It's all a popularity contest. Sometimes schools are popular because they are Really That Good, like Harvey Mudd or MIT, and sometimes it's because they're really good at advertising and branding, like Harvard.
  • Nocreativity1Nocreativity1 Registered User Posts: 662 Member
    edited October 2018
    ^ Or.... perhaps it truly represents the comparative exclusivity of the schools and comments to the contrary just make people feel better if their personal preferences aren't well represented. Yeah Harvard is just good at marketing and branding say the 19 of 20 who are rejected.

    You can argue around the edges but the list is consistent with the typical results posted on CC. At the high end acceptance rates are a pretty clear barometer of exclusivity, juxtaposed against test scores regardless of weighting would appear to yield a fairly accurate result.
  • BrianBoilerBrianBoiler Registered User Posts: 550 Member

    This isn't claiming to be a list of the "Best" schools, only the list of "Hardest to Get Into." Given that, I'd say their criteria is pretty good.

    However, as stated above, this list looks very close to a list of "Best Undergrad Schools in the US." And, the order isn't that different from those that compile said lists. Calling out Harvard for being good at Marketing as the reason why they are on this list? I'm thinking Harvard is Really That Good. I'd also toss up there that the differences between #1 and #35 is marginal for the typical undergrad. If you get into any one of these schools you're doing great. There isn't a name on this list that I look at and say "Hey, they sure don't belong here." Sure Williams may think they should be better than Pamona and Berkley is probably saying "What the H&*%, USC, Really?!?!?!?!" but I think we are splitting hairs.
  • BrianBoilerBrianBoiler Registered User Posts: 550 Member
    I guess, I'd argue that the two hardest to get into on this list are #'s 30 and 35, but the work required to complete the application process isn't factored into that ranking. My son applied to #7 and #30 and he'd tell you that to get into #30 was much tougher.
  • lostaccountlostaccount Registered User Posts: 4,994 Senior Member
    Eeyore123 State flagships-not surprising many are so highly rated. They are among the best universities in the world. and some are among the oldest most established schools in the US. Re: Publisher's comments about teaching undergrads, also not surprising. Obviously each state system was founded by different constituencies for different reasons; often both continue to exert their influence on each system. It's no coincidence that the very best of them are not in New England, for example, where private colleges took hold early, often educated the wealthy children of those in states that lacked them, and in some cases successfully obstructed efforts to establish state systems.Even when this didn't happen, the wealthy in places distant from the northeast initially had few options for their offspring-early on shipping them northeast was common. It's not by chance that the best of the state systems are a distance from New England. (Perhaps others on CC will find this perspective interesting).
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