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computer science --- matches?

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  • seattleUW2seattleUW2 Registered User Posts: 15 Junior Member
    Maybe my samples are too special. I know five kids (two BS, 1 MS and two PhDs, all in CS) who went to google
    in recent years and all with entry level -- all in the range of 120--180K. Maybe it is because of being in California.
    Amazon's pay is not high for sure and Boeing is just okay.
  • seattleUW2seattleUW2 Registered User Posts: 15 Junior Member
    The pay of CS internship also depends on the company. larger ones tend to pay more but I am not familiar with the current pay rate of Google, Facebook, etc. twenty five years ago, some top industrial research firms paid intership with
    $4500 a month. That was a lot of money.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 72,920 Senior Member
    seattleUW2 wrote:
    Maybe my samples are too special. I know five kids (two BS, 1 MS and two PhDs, all in CS) who went to google
    in recent years and all with entry level -- all in the range of 120--180K.

    Five is a small sample, and three have degrees more advanced than a bachelor's degree.
  • ProfessorPlum168ProfessorPlum168 Registered User Posts: 1,968 Senior Member
    If you’re trying to insinuate that Google and Facebook will go anywhere for CS people, just stop it. There’s a reason why top students for CS go to CMU and Berkeley and Stanford and MIT, and it’s because top companies like Google and Facebook know they getting the cream of the crop from top to bottom. It’s the same argument one might make about say NBA players. Yes they could come from any school, but there’s a reason why top players go to Duke and Kentucky and Kansas, etc. Because those schools consistently put out quality players.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 72,920 Senior Member
    If you’re trying to insinuate that Google and Facebook will go anywhere for CS people, just stop it. There’s a reason why top students for CS go to CMU and Berkeley and Stanford and MIT, and it’s because top companies like Google and Facebook know they getting the cream of the crop from top to bottom.

    Google and Facebook seem to have different hiring methodologies. Google seems to recruit widely (dozens or hundred of colleges mentioned in some articles), but its hiring process is difficult, so that stronger students more commonly found at more selective universities are overrepresented. However, Facebook seems to have a far stronger skew toward graduates of more selective universities compared to other big computer companies. See the chart at https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/news/which-colleges-do-facebook-google-and-other-top-employers-recruit .
  • UWfromCAUWfromCA Registered User Posts: 1,265 Senior Member
  • NEPatsGirlNEPatsGirl Registered User Posts: 2,761 Senior Member
    It looks from all those sites that around $84K is the median starting wage for CS students. To look at the starting salary of MIT, Berkely and CMU and then throw in advanced degrees to get to your $120-180K doesn't do any of these graduating seniors a favor. My D looked at Boston and Seattle for a starting position and most were around that $84K mark. Again, not everyone graduates from IVY or takes a job with Google.
  • seattleUW2seattleUW2 Registered User Posts: 15 Junior Member
    My google samples are small, only five --- they are all from no-name cs programs between top 50 to top 90.
    I also know a Caltech BS/UC berkeley MS CS girl who ended up in a no-name tech company.
  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk Registered User Posts: 1,940 Senior Member
    edited January 11
    "If you’re trying to insinuate that Google and Facebook will go anywhere for CS people, just stop it. There’s a reason why top students for CS go to CMU and Berkeley and Stanford and MIT, and it’s because top companies like Google and Facebook know they getting the cream of the crop from top to bottom."

    That's a big generalization, cream of the crop from top to bottom, especially given how this "cream of the crop" has made Facebook what it is today, and pretty much when all is said and done, Facebook will have done more bad than good in this world. I know people that Facebook is hiring, and they're not cream of the crop. It is interesting that the one silicon valley company that pays more attention to where you went to school is Facebook. But we're digressing.

    Google, as ucbalumnus points out, hires differently than Facebook, they may look at undergrad when selecting whom to interview, but once in the interview, it's all about how you do in the interview, not where you went.
  • seattleUW2seattleUW2 Registered User Posts: 15 Junior Member
    One more data entry: a kid of a friend told me today that he got intership at amazon and the pay rate is 100K per year. The kid is at no-name CS program and he is junior there. his gps is also so-so like 3.2.
  • seattleUW2seattleUW2 Registered User Posts: 15 Junior Member
    The kid also told me that girls are also very very very popular in industry.
  • 1NJParent1NJParent Registered User Posts: 674 Member
    There're all sorts of CS jobs, even at places like Google or Facebook. The corresponding pay levels are very different. Someone on CC has mentioned some kid getting 6-figures just for the summer internship.
  • seattleUW2seattleUW2 Registered User Posts: 15 Junior Member
    That is very exciting. I also know an undergraduate kid from a top 1 school in physics. A super large investment bank hires him as a summer intern with 20K a month. but he declined the offer! I also know a CS kid (phd from a very low ranked program) hired by a super large investment bank and three years later after graduation he became a VP of the bank. I guess all depends on the student not the school.
  • lostaccountlostaccount Registered User Posts: 4,993 Senior Member
    edited January 11
    Right I don't know where that figure of 120-180 came from unless it includes things like stocks-in which case it would be much higher. But stra
    ight salary is more like $105-120 or so.
  • Twoin18Twoin18 Registered User Posts: 930 Member
    edited January 11
    Off topic but I found the "cream of the crop" comments about Facebook amusing. It still requires very smart people to do things with either positive or negative consequences, and you don't even know that in advance anyway.

    But I'm sure that their pool of recruits is very different to 10 years ago (pre-IPO). Hiring needs in a 20,000 person organization are very different to a 1000 person organization. And who wants to join a company several years post-IPO when the smart people are leaving? Much better to be the friend I had to encourage to take a job there in 2007, when he wasn't sure if it made financial sense to take a salary cut in exchange for his share options.

    As an example of smart people being needed to develop things that can have either positive or negative consequences, my best friend in college, who is the smartest person I've ever met, ended up as head of derivatives for a famous Wall Street investment bank in the years leading up to 2008.
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