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Are Tufts, BC, NEU, and Holy Cross the same academic rigor?

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Replies to: Are Tufts, BC, NEU, and Holy Cross the same academic rigor?

  • MastadonMastadon Registered User Posts: 1,699 Senior Member
    Tufts is known for its pre-health programs and advising (separately from generic rankings). It is not known for weed out and it supports all applicants. It does have high SAT scores, though. (similar to Stanford). Acceptance rates to professional schools are high, particularly dental. Tufts own professional schools are "favorably inclined" to Tufts undergrads, which may impact the overall acceptance rates.
    What percent of pre-medical/veterinary/dental students get accepted to medical/veterinary/dental school?

    Tufts works with and supports all its students who choose to apply to medical, dental or veterinary school. Our overall acceptance rate to U.S. medical schools is between 75-90% each year. If you focus on those students who maintained a 3.5 GPA, it rises to over 90%. Acceptance to dental school is between 90-100% each year, and to veterinary school, it is about 75-90%.

    Students matriculate into schools across the country but many do choose to remain at Tufts; the professional schools at our university are very favorably inclined towards Tufts undergraduates.

    Can I take classes at the medical/veterinary/dental school?

    Tufts undergraduates do attend lectures, participate in research and do volunteer work at our schools; however, the medical, dental and veterinary schools do not allow part-time students or those who are not degree candidates to take courses.
    https://admissions.tufts.edu/academics/after-tufts/pre-health-information/

    Tufts takes a very interdisciplinary approach to health called "One Health" which spans the medical, dental, veterinary, nutrition, and environmental fields. They were pioneers in this area.
    https://www.tuftsctsi.org/research-services/one-health/
  • privatebankerprivatebanker Registered User Posts: 3,014 Senior Member

    Not sure if you are talking about current options or next year. So I will position this as someone thinking of applying.

    Basics - razor thin selectivity differences or brand prestige here. And things are changing. Tufts has been historically the most selective. But that gap is closing fast. Not because they have slipped at all. Just the opposite. But BC and NEU have just really moved up quickly in terms of difficulty in getting a spot. NEU has some other options that are difficult but slightly more accessible. Spring admits and NEU.in programs.

    But here’s the general consensus among ranking types.

    Tufts- is a mid size liberal arts school. Cool vibe and a bit on the artsier side than the others on the list. Highly selective.

    Boston College - is a mid size research university. . Better sports and prettier campus imho. Highly selective. Historically a bit preppier of the bunch.

    NEU- is a mid-size private research uni that is an urban blend type campus. Excellent Co op program and pre professional feel. Sports and social scene is meh. Highly selective.

    Holy Cross- . Larger liberal arts college. Beautiful campus. Weaker location. Selective.

    UConn - mid size public flagship. All that a great state uni should offer. Instate it will be the most accessible admissions-wise.

    Med school wise. All can be your ticket to med school. Grades mcats recommendations and research opportunities are key. In that order most likely.

    Don’t know much about any other than the BC program. Very supportive and robust prehealth counseling for the qualified student at BC. Supportive through school and after you graduate. My d is currently a second semester first year. But we have expreince with two other family members. One is a nurse practitioner now and the other is a third year med school student in the Midwest both out of BC recently. My d has been helped to obtain a sophomore research position at a local hospital. Also was allowed to post for and was selected to be a writer for the school’s science journal and writing/reesrching AI and emergency medicine. So interesting opportunities available. She was a Val level student and finds the science classes challenging. Lots and lots of time in the library. But they just opened up a new neuroscience major and it has been appealing to a lot of pre health track students.

    Good luck and great choices.
  • andrewnaandrewna Registered User Posts: 51 Junior Member
    Thank you all for your responses; they’re sooo helpful! But, would you guys say that in terms of difficulty (or getting an A), they are similar? Or would you say Tufts is on another level?

    Btw im a current senior.. so i gotta make a choice fast
  • andrewnaandrewna Registered User Posts: 51 Junior Member
    How does your daughter feel about the heavy weed out classes at BC? BC is my cheapest option so I def wanna consider it. However, like i said, i come from a hs that was not the best in terms ot college preparation so im scared i might not be able to do good. Also, because BC isnt actually in boston, would u say it lacks top-tier pre-health opportunities?
  • suzyQ7suzyQ7 Registered User Posts: 3,766 Senior Member
    You are going to do best at a school that is the best fit. The schools here are all quite different, vibe-wise, but not academic-wise. Do you want large, rural? Small LAC in a gritty city? Large Urban? Mid sized suburban? Focus on fit since cost is not a factor right now. Visit on revisit day. None of these schools is going to be a cake walk for GPA. HC is know for grade deflation, but supportive faculty. Something like 20-25% of kids at BC, HC, and maybe Tufts are premed to start - so fierce competition. UCONN is large, but also has tons of premeds. Not sure about NEU % of class for premeds.
  • rickle1rickle1 Registered User Posts: 1,398 Senior Member
    ^ very good suggestion. They are all excellent and you can accomplish your goal from each. But they are all quite different (laid out well by @privatebanker ). Fit is really important as you will thrive where you fit best. You will also really enjoy the process where you fit best (although very challenging, if you truly want it, it will be stimulating).

    You're fortunate to have great options (all being options as cost appears to be a non-issue).

    Congrats on your achievement and continued success!
  • evergreen5evergreen5 Registered User Posts: 1,302 Senior Member
    edited March 16
    @andrewna and because BC isnt actually in boston
    To be more precise, the Boston city line cuts between lower campus (where many dorms are; that's technically Boston), and middle campus (where classes are; technically Newton). The B line of the T ends at the BC campus. The faster C and D lines stop in Cleveland Circle, where some BC juniors live and which has a 5-min shuttle to campus. It is not a problem to have a job in downtown Boston while attending BC.

    Put another way, BC has easier access than a number of other Boston-area colleges, including Tufts, Babson, Wellesley, etc., though travel time would depend on the exact destination. Obviously, Northeastern is a more urban option, if you want urban. Try to visit if you can; the differences will be clear.

    What are your costs for each school?
  • suzyQ7suzyQ7 Registered User Posts: 3,766 Senior Member
    ^I agree, BC is in a great location, very very close (on) the city line. You get the best of both worlds location-wise (sprawling manicured campus and access to the city).

    OP, you really need to visit all these schools if possible!
  • andrewnaandrewna Registered User Posts: 51 Junior Member
    I just got my financial aid package for Holy cross, and it’s now my cheapest by a lot.
  • TTGTTG Registered User Posts: 1,561 Senior Member
    Congratulations! Holy Cross is really top-notch academically.
  • wisteria100wisteria100 Registered User Posts: 4,039 Senior Member
    Congrats. Agree Holy Cross is very strong and supportive in pre med especially bio. BC also has a strong bio program and Tufts strong as well.
    UMASS med school is in Worcester where HC is located and that will provide opportunities for pre-med students.
  • mikemacmikemac Registered User Posts: 10,177 Senior Member
    edited March 16
    Holy Cross is very strong and supportive in pre med especially bio.
    You're kidding, right? This school screens premed applicants and only recommends those with top stats. If you have a 1-in-3 or 1-in-4 chance, too bad for you; they don't recommend you and your chances go to zero.
  • wisteria100wisteria100 Registered User Posts: 4,039 Senior Member
    @mikemac You have been posting that rhetoric for years. All colleges screen premed applicants, Holy Cross is no different. 10% of Holy Cross living alums are doctors or dentists. That's a big number. If Holy Cross screened everyone out, how do they all get to be Doctors? That 10% number illustrates just how strong Holy Cross is in preparing kids for medical school
  • mikemacmikemac Registered User Posts: 10,177 Senior Member
    edited March 17
    @wisteria100 writes: All colleges screen premed applicants
    Large publics do not provide a committee letter, so there can be no screening.

    And there are colleges with a committee letter that provide a supportive letter for anyone that requests. For example
    The Hamilton College Health Professions Advisory Committee prepares a letter of recommendation for any student who wishes to apply. There is no GPA requirement to receive a letter of support.
    https://www.hamilton.edu/academics/healthprofessions/premedquestions.html
    The Mount Holyoke Committee on the Health Professions will provide a committee letter for all students and alumnae who request one and who meet the committee’s requirements and deadlines, outlined here.
    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/prehealth/recommendations
    @wisteria100 writes: 10% of Holy Cross living alums are doctors or dentists
    Not exactly. What HC actually says is " More than 10% of living Holy Cross alumni are practicing medicine, dentistry, veterinary medicine, etc., throughout the world today." Later on the same page they say "Holy Cross has ranged between 35 and 57 applications to medical school per year and more than 75 students per year have gone on to health professional schools (medical, dental, veterinary, pharmacy, nursing, physician assistant, physical therapy, etc.)." Source: https://www.holycross.edu/academics/programs/health-professions-advising/frequently-asked-questions Holy Cross has about 3,000 undergrads so roughly 750 graduate each year, and 10% of that number is 75. So it seems they are rolling pharmacy, nursing, physician assistant, physical therapy into their "10% of living Holy Cross alumni" number.
  • wisteria100wisteria100 Registered User Posts: 4,039 Senior Member
    edited March 17
    ^^ The 10% living alumni number is physicians and dentists. @mikemac - you are making incorrect assumptions
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