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New Ranking System - Desirability Ratio

pbleicpbleic Registered User Posts: 164 Junior Member
edited April 2011 in College Search & Selection
In thinking about the various college rankings, and their flaws, I came up with the following concept: divide the Yield by the Admissions Rate. Perhaps this has been suggested before, but I haven't seen it.

The yield is an indicator of student selection amongst accepted students. When divided by the admissions rate, it normalizes for how selective the school is in choosing their students. The result is fascinating. For example, Harvard is 79% yield / 8% acceptance rate = 9.88. Princeton is 59/10 = 5.9, etc.

In looking through this, it is not surprising in many places, but there are a few very interesting "shifts" from standard rankings.

Caveats:

1. This is NOT a comprehensive list. I have listed 55 schools that I selected to test this out, mostly amongst the most selective with a few less selective schools scattered in to see how this works lower down the USNWR scale. Perhaps someone with access to a database of all the yields/admission rates could make a more complete list.

2. I used the College P*Rowler percentages, which have no decimal digits. A more accurate result could be obtained from the actual numbers of accepted/attending students from the Common Data Sets.

3. I hand copied these and didn't check the numbers, so it is possible that I made an error or two.

Here they are, with the ratio

Harvard 9.88
Stanford 7.89
Yale 6.90
Princeton 5.90
MIT 5.50
Columbia 5.36
Brown 3.93
Dartmouth 3.93
University of Pennsylvania 3.71
Amherst 2.53
Williams 2.47
Washington and Lee 2.47
Pomona 2.44
Swarthmore 2.44
Georgetown 2.37
Bowdoin 2.32
Cornell 2.19
Claremont McKenna 2.11
Middlebury 2.10
Caltech 2.00
Notre Dame 2.00
Duke 1.83
Berkeley 1.78
Barnard 1.68
Davidson 1.65
USC 1.59
Rice 1.52
Vanderbilt 1.48
Vassar 1.40
Colgate 1.38
Haverford 1.37
New York University 1.37
Washington University 1.36
Chicago 1.36
Carleton 1.33
Wesleyan 1.30
Tufts 1.28
Brown 1.26
Northwestern 1.26
Johns Hopkins 1.15
Wellesley 1.14
Emory 1.11
Michigan 1.10
Boston College 1.04
Oberlin 1.03
Harvey Mudd 1.00
Brandeis 0.79
Carnegie Mellon 0.79
Smith 0.75
Lafayette 0.68
Trinity 0.67
Rensselaer 0.61
Rochester 0.61
Mt. Holyoke 0.60
Boston University 0.36
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  • 000ace000000ace000 Registered User Posts: 511 Member
    I like this. quite interesting.
    One thing to consider though is that some lower tier schools are competing for different applicants. They may rack up a higher "desirability score", but simply because many of their applicants didnt get in/apply to better schools that they may prefer to attend.
  • 000ace000000ace000 Registered User Posts: 511 Member
    oh, and you have Brown on there twice.
  • tk21769tk21769 Registered User Posts: 10,466 Senior Member
    Naval Academy: 5.93
    US Military Academy (West Point): 4.94
    Colorado College: 1.54
    Bard: 1.52
    Bucknell: 1.33
    Thomas Aquinas: 1.06
    VMI: .89
    Sweet Briar: .46

    Most Popular Schools: Liberal Arts Colleges - US News and World Report
  • pbleicpbleic Registered User Posts: 164 Junior Member
    Oops, sorry about Brown. I might have misread a school name from my scribbles. I am not sure what it was, and I erased it...

    Harvard 9.88
    Stanford 7.89
    Yale 6.90
    Princeton 5.90
    MIT 5.50
    Columbia 5.36
    Brown 3.93
    Dartmouth 3.93
    University of Pennsylvania 3.71
    Amherst 2.53
    Williams 2.47
    Washington and Lee 2.47
    Pomona 2.44
    Swarthmore 2.44
    Georgetown 2.37
    Bowdoin 2.32
    Cornell 2.19
    Claremont McKenna 2.11
    Middlebury 2.10
    Caltech 2.00
    Notre Dame 2.00
    Duke 1.83
    Berkeley 1.78
    Barnard 1.68
    Davidson 1.65
    USC 1.59
    Rice 1.52
    Vanderbilt 1.48
    Vassar 1.40
    Colgate 1.38
    Haverford 1.37
    New York University 1.37
    Washington University 1.36
    Chicago 1.36
    Carleton 1.33
    Wesleyan 1.30
    Tufts 1.28
    Northwestern 1.26
    Johns Hopkins 1.15
    Wellesley 1.14
    Emory 1.11
    Michigan 1.10
    Boston College 1.04
    Oberlin 1.03
    Harvey Mudd 1.00
    Brandeis 0.79
    Carnegie Mellon 0.79
    Smith 0.75
    Lafayette 0.68
    Trinity 0.67
    Rensselaer 0.61
    Rochester 0.61
    Mt. Holyoke 0.60
    Boston University 0.36
  • pbleicpbleic Registered User Posts: 164 Junior Member
    To #2 @000ace000:
    Yes, I agree, although it seems reasonably solid. You could come up with a multiplier for the caliber of the students (SATs, for example), but this would be difficult (and very subjective) to calibrate. Perhaps it works best "within" a class of schools.
  • 000ace000000ace000 Registered User Posts: 511 Member
    how come brigham young has such a high yield?
  • MSauceMSauce Registered User Posts: 675 Member
    BYU is the strict Mormon school. While Utah and Utah State also have a big Mormon population, my friends in Utah tell me that all the devoted Mormons want to go to BYU, because its student body more strictly adheres to Mormon values.
  • pbleicpbleic Registered User Posts: 164 Junior Member
    Yeshiva College has a high yield (67%) for much the same reason.
  • ewhoewho Registered User Posts: 1,397 Senior Member
  • vincehvinceh Registered User Posts: 2,291 Senior Member
    Soooooo, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton & MIT are the five most desirable schools in the US!

    Thanks for the info.
  • DroughtDrought Registered User Posts: 807 Member
    This is interesting... I've long thought that the relationship between a school's acceptance rate and a school's yield rate means something... I'm just not sure what.
  • pbleicpbleic Registered User Posts: 164 Junior Member
    ewho, Fantastic!

    Thanks for pointing this out. Somebody else seems to have done the whole thing (without hand copying, I might add).
  • 000ace000000ace000 Registered User Posts: 511 Member
    This is interesting... I've long thought that the relationship between a school's acceptance rate and a school's yield rate means something... I'm just not sure what.

    Well any of the above schools wiv the index <1 means that their students are more selective of them, than they are of students...
  • pbleicpbleic Registered User Posts: 164 Junior Member
    Some surprises (for me) from the Mathacle blog:

    Caltech at #23 (2.00 ratio)
    Cornell at #20 (2.19) with Dartmouth as the next higher Ivy at #10, 3.77
    Middlebury (2.59) above Amherst (2.53) and Williams (2.47)
    Washington and Lee tied with Williams (2.47)
    Univ. Florida at #34, (1.51)
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