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CupCakeMuffinsCupCakeMuffins Registered User Posts: 872 Member
edited October 2018 in College Search & Selection
Which schools are considered peers of MIT & Caltech?

Replies to: MIT & CIT

  • HeinousKetchupHeinousKetchup Registered User Posts: 7 New Member

    Harvey Mudd - stole Caltech's cannon once as a prank (like what MIT did), strong engineering

    all i can think of rn
  • merc81merc81 Registered User Posts: 9,837 Senior Member
    edited November 2018
    I agree with RPI and Harvey Mudd. Though perhaps less discernible in this context, I might add Rice.
  • geraniolgeraniol Registered User Posts: 160 Junior Member
    In what context? For STEM focus and research output, outside the US: EPFL, ETH Zurich, Imperial College London.
  • CupCakeMuffinsCupCakeMuffins Registered User Posts: 872 Member
    Just ones here in States, not globally.

    Would you recommend CMU or JHU for this list?
  • nw2thisnw2this Registered User Posts: 2,632 Senior Member
    edited November 2018
    Stanford, GA Tech, UMich, Berkeley
  • GreymeerGreymeer Registered User Posts: 674 Member
    GT, WPI, Yale, RPI, Duke, Caltech, Harvey Mudd, Olin, Dartmouth, Case Western

    "Similar Universities (mathematically similar student body, size, academics, stem, salary... etc)"

  • YnotgoYnotgo Registered User Posts: 3,935 Senior Member
  • 1NJParent1NJParent Registered User Posts: 953 Member
    If the yardstick is program curriculum and intensity, only CMU SCS and Harvey Mudd come close.
  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk Registered User Posts: 2,167 Senior Member
    Stanford, Berkeley, maybe Michigan, that's it. I know a lot of people at RPI, CMU, WPI that are there because they didn't get into MIT.
  • ColoradomamaColoradomama Registered User Posts: 2,539 Senior Member
    GaTech, U of Penn, Caltech, Stanford, UIUC, Berkeley, Cornell, CMU have the closest programs to MIT's in terms of difficulty and depth in the sciences and engineering, and federal research dollars brought to campus with grants.

    (MIT, Berkeley, Stanford and UIUC have the same type of EECS top programs for instance. )

    Are you asking peer institutions for financial aid? MIT may have a list, so ask them. Or are you interested in schools that have similar research and options? Harvey Mudd College is only undergrads, so substantially different focus than MIT or Caltech, which have grad schools the same size as undergrad, substantial federal $$ and substantial lab facilities compared to Harvey Mudd College.

    RPI and CWRU are easier to get into, but similar in rigor as well and offer some labs, but not to the MIT/Caltech
    level of labs.

    Labs really do matter for research work, but depends a little on your major.

    With that I don't think MIT negotiates on financial aid packages, if thats what you are after, but ask them.
    I have seen applicants get substantially more money from Penn and Yale than MIT and there was no negotiating.
    Penn has some new special engineering scholarship programs and Yale is just very very generous but
    not up to MIT's standards for science or engineering, its more liberal arts focused.
  • CupCakeMuffinsCupCakeMuffins Registered User Posts: 872 Member
    edited November 2018
    Makes sense. Stanford, Berkeley, Rice, CMU,GT, Cornell, Harvey Mudd,U Penn can provide somewhat similar STEM experience but with a better overall balance than MIT and Caltech.
  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk Registered User Posts: 2,167 Senior Member
    What do you mean by similar stem experience? The caliber of kids and professors at MIT and Cal Tech are not the same as the other schools, with the exception of Stanford and Berkeley, and Harvard for non-engineering majors.
  • 1NJParent1NJParent Registered User Posts: 953 Member
    MIT/Caltech really have no peer in STEM overall. Yes, other top colleges have STEM students who are as good, but they are not as numerous (in terms of percentages) and with much wider distributions at the lower end than at these two schools. If you're a STEM major, you'll be more likely challenged and pushed harder at Caltech/MIT (including harder and more higher level courses) than at any other places.
  • lostaccountlostaccount Registered User Posts: 5,409 Senior Member
    Rigor at MIT is enhanced by general institutional requirements including 2 courses in calculus (not simply math), 2 physics, bio, chem and 8 courses in Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences (HASS). Most other schools provide some leeway or wiggle room to allow those who want to avoid a particular STEM to take some sort of pseudo course like
    for math it might be "math for mountain climbers" or for science it might be "our bodies are interesting". I don't know how CalTech handles requirements but bet they are as rigorous.
  • 1NJParent1NJParent Registered User Posts: 953 Member
    edited December 2018
    Caltech is perhaps even more rigorous. According to its latest catalog, every freshman starts with 3 courses of proof-based calculus/linear algebra, 3 courses of physics, 2 courses of chem and 1 course of bio, unless placed out of any of them by exams. 12 courses of humanities/social sciences with strict distribution requirement among them, including at least 3 writing-intensive courses (and with no pass/fail option on most of the humanities/social sciences courses except for the freshman/intro classes). No AP/IB credit for any course (and for any AP score).

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