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Cornell ED Class of 2022 Discussion Thread

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Replies to: Cornell ED Class of 2022 Discussion Thread

  • SuperGymnast_04SuperGymnast_04 Registered User Posts: 200 Junior Member
    edited December 2017
    (Aware that this is totally unrelated to this thread but wanted to add clarity and insight for future lurkers)- I am an RD CALS applicant and I actually contacted Cornell this summer about subject tests. They replied:

    "You are welcome to submit your SAT subject test scores and they will be included in your file for review along with your other materials."

    Other materials I have reviewed also indicate that SAT Subject tests are indeed considered for admission if provided when applying to CALS or other colleges at Cornell which do not require subject tests.
  • Winky1Winky1 Registered User Posts: 1,320 Senior Member
    edited December 2017
    @SuperGymnast_04 , do you think 730 for Bio E and Bio M should be sent? they are in the mid 70-80 percentiles approx., but my D didn't sent because they aren't above 750. She's Human Ecology. Her other 2 don't make sense to sent because she scored higher on the regular SAT in Math than on the Math II Subject Test, and her Chem is a 690. The only ones in question would be the 2 bio scores. Any thoughts?
  • collegemomjamcollegemomjam Registered User Posts: 1,263 Senior Member
    I could be wrong but, realizing it's sort of ambiguous on their website, you might have no choice but to send everything. I thought they wanted entire SAT testing history which includes SAT I's and SAT II's, even if they aren't required for your school. You would think they would make this clearer because I feel like every year people aren't sure what they want.
  • Winky1Winky1 Registered User Posts: 1,320 Senior Member
    I hear you @collegemomjam. We interpreted it as not having to send the subject tests because I think it actually says "subject test not required" on that info. sheet that breaks down the details for each school. She took the SAT one time, but had she taken it multiple times, she would have sent all of the SAT 1's. The only school she applied to that was crystal clear about all tests AND all subject tests is Georgetown. They recommend 3 subject tests, and my D has 5 because she tried to get that Math II one up.

    Don't get me wrong, I think she did fine on them. But for the super competitive schools, she kept the subject tests out because they weren't required or even highly recommended (except for Georgetown), and she didn't score super high on them. I am not even sure if Admins are aware of the percentiles of each test or if they just go by the scores being higher or lower than 750, or higher or lower than 700 (like a general thought they have)??
  • skieuropeskieurope Super Moderator Posts: 32,985 Super Moderator
    edited December 2017
    I am not even sure if Admins are aware of the percentiles of each test
    I am sure they are aware, at least directionally. I doubt that they sit and cross-reference percentile charts, though. A 750 is a 750 from an admissions perspective, IMO.
    I could be wrong but, realizing it's sort of ambiguous on their website, you might have no choice but to send everything.
    While I agree that Cornell could be more clear on its website, my interpretation is that all Subject Tests do not need to be sent.
  • SuperGymnast_04SuperGymnast_04 Registered User Posts: 200 Junior Member
    @Winky1 I submitted a 720 WH and a 740 Bio E to CALS. I would submit anything over 700. Take my advice with a grain of salt, but I don't think percentiles matter much; only a narrow subset of the student population (eg students applying to Ivies) is taking the test because so few colleges require them. That's why percentages seem so skewed and I wouldn't worry about them.
  • collegemomjamcollegemomjam Registered User Posts: 1,263 Senior Member
    I tend to agree with @SuperGymnast_04 on the over 700 idea.

    @skieurope I agree it makes sense that they would only require you send all SAT II scores if you are applying to a school that requires the SAT II's. However, I called admissions last year and asked this exact question and they said they want all SAT's ever taken, both I's and II's.

    HOWEVER, if being in this business has taught me anything it is that you cannot always trust what the person that answers the phone in admissions says. They are trying to help, but sometimes communicate policies incorrectly (accidentally, of course).

    I just emailed admissions to ask. They aren't back until next week. If and when I get a reply, I will post it.
  • collegemomjamcollegemomjam Registered User Posts: 1,263 Senior Member
    Found it under their MeetEzra link. You don't have to send II's if they aren't required for your school:

    Cornell's seven colleges or schools may also require SAT Subject Tests in addition to the SAT or ACT. Students applying to a college or school that does not require SAT Subject Tests are not required to submit their Subject Test scores.
  • skieuropeskieurope Super Moderator Posts: 32,985 Super Moderator
    edited December 2017
    @skieurope I agree it makes sense that they would only require you send all SAT II scores if you are applying to a school that requires the SAT II's. However, I called admissions last year and asked this exact question and they said they want all SAT's ever taken, both I's and II's.
    @collegemomjam Last year was last year, and last year Cornell specifically said that they wanted all scores. The question is what is required this year. If there is one thing that I have learned over the years is that admissions requirements for some schools seem to change annually.

    Anyway, as I said upthread, it was my interpretation from reading their site that one did not need to send all Subject Test scores in this application cycle. I also agree that the quality of info that one may receive over the phone (or email for that matter) may vary depending on the person in the office. This, BTW, is not unique to Cornell, and I have no first-hand knowledge about the quality if info disseminated by the admissions office.
    Found it under their MeetEzra link. You don't have to send II's if they aren't required for your school:
    That part is clear to me. I think the question is if one has to send all Subject Tests if one took more than 2 or just send 2 for A&S or just Math and any science for engineering.

    Certainly if you get any further clarification, update us, because I'd certainly like to know for my own edification.
  • collegemomjamcollegemomjam Registered User Posts: 1,263 Senior Member
    @skieurope I will ask. They already replied to me even though they are closed, but I will ask that exact question.

    I agree things change year to year. I do college advising and I never rely on my last year's information because it does change year to year. Sometimes it changes within the same year. Last year, U Penn changed their testing policy within the calendar year or at least late enough that some kids had employed strategies that they didn't need to. They ended up NOT requiring all scores (something they had done before) so some students cancelled subject tests (my daughter being one of them) because they didn't think they did as well as they could have...yet if they didn't have to send the score they might have kept it to see how they did. My daughter was considering applying ED to Penn (changed her mind, not for this reason) and she was very upset that she found out so late that she didn't need to send all scores after all. I don't remember exactly when they changed their policy but it may have been AFTER 9/1.

    Tufts changed their policy from not accepting the old SAT to accepting both the old and the new...this wasn't after 9/1 but it was late enough that some people may have had to change their testing plans to accommodate Tufts' requirements (this might have been a result from feedback I gave admissions after we went to an admissions info session and I went up to the presenter after the session and told them this was a bad idea because by not accepting the old SAT they would lose all of those Ivy aspiring applicants that apply to Tufts also because the Ivies were all accepting both tests that year (2017)....the admissions rep intently listened to my concerns and their website reflected the changes to their policy within days of our visit).

    Penn State this year changed their essay requirements for the honors college mid cycle.

    You really have to pay attention to details and they do change every year and no matter how they are worded on college websites, they can be interpreted differently sometimes. And if you need to clarify, it is best to do it in writing with a real admissions counselors because the staff in admissions sometimes doesn't understand the exact details of the policies.
  • Scorpion2000Scorpion2000 Registered User Posts: 122 Junior Member
    I was just accepted to Cornell HE ED. If this is of any help, I accidently sent all scores, including the subject tests I was not fond of. Cornell repeatedly told me not to worry and that they are not considered in admission. They were right. Once I submitted everything, I was able to view my applicant profile. The subject tests showed submitted, but without a score, since it was not relevant. Only SAT best scores from each section were shown.
  • collegemomjamcollegemomjam Registered User Posts: 1,263 Senior Member
    That's very useful information. Thanks!!
  • Scorpion2000Scorpion2000 Registered User Posts: 122 Junior Member
    This might be helpful for future applicants
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dMrLHRaX15U
  • collegemomjamcollegemomjam Registered User Posts: 1,263 Senior Member
    Here is the reply from Cornell regarding whether or not a student needs to send in all subject tests if they are applying to a school that requires subject tests, or if they can just send in any two of their choice (that meet the requirements):


    Please have the student send in any two SAT Subject test scores as required by the College of Arts and Sciences.



    All the best,



    Admissions Staff



    Cornell Undergraduate Admissions Office

    So apparently they have score choice for subject tests, but you just need to make sure you are sending in the ones that they require if your school requires specific tests.

  • WashUH0pefulWashUH0peful Registered User Posts: 76 Junior Member
    I’m a RD applicant for Dyson and was offered an interview. Anyone else that applied to Dyson get an interview? I was under the impression only architecture and Hotel kids got offered interviews
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