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Why was I rejected ED?

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  • Ranza123Ranza123 Registered User Posts: 1,345 Senior Member
    There have been some good replies on here already, but I want to jump in to echo that you sound like an amazing student and you'll do well no matter where you end up.

    None of the "weaknesses" you listed are reasons to reject anyone; you'll probably never know why you were rejected, which sucks. The only bit of insight I may offer (please take with a grain of salt because this is secondhand and a few years old now): I similarly went to a low-performing school that didn't send students to top schools. My school offered two APs, both of which I took, but the other "challenging" classes I took were online or through the local community college (as it sounds like yours were too). My friend in high school also applied to Cornell engineering ED and was rejected; he was definitely much smarter than me in physics and calculus (which we both took through the community college). He told me at the time that he was able to talk with an admissions person from Cornell (to this day I have no idea how he did this; we do live right near Cornell though and his parents may have somehow been affiliated with the university or maybe he was lying idk) and they told him the main reason he was rejected was because even though he took calculus and physics and got good grades, they were taken through the local community college which Cornell was familiar with (since, again, we live near the university) and knew to be less rigorous, and therefore they didn't trust his capabilities. I had taken the same classes and got accepted, but I applied to arts and sciences, which may have cared less about physics and calculus than engineering did.

    Anyway, anecdotes aside, your drive and ambition are clear. You're going to get into a great school, and I'm confident you'll thrive in any academic environment. Keep your head up and don't let the anxiety get to you; you'll know soon where you're going to spend the next four years learning and growing as a student.
  • SnowFernSnowFern Registered User Posts: 10 New Member

    I would have thought you would get in. Good luck with the rest of the application cycle, I’m sure you will get in one of the others.
    Also, do you mean Lynn University in Boca Raton Fl? Do they have an engineering department now?
  • Much2learnMuch2learn Registered User Posts: 4,725 Senior Member
    I always get nervous when people talk about Cornell as the "easy Ivy to get into." It is like asking which NFL football team is the easiest to get into. I am sure that some NFL teams are slightly easier to make than others, but the difficulty level is so high for even the worst team in the league, that the word easy really isn't appropriate at all.

    The same is true for Cornell in the Ivy League. Cornell students are the real deal. Maybe it is a bit less selective and larger than the other Ivies, but they have about 50,000 applicants for about 3,500 seats. It is very competitive, and if you don't have a hard hook and a likely letter, you just can't count on getting in no matter what your stats are.



  • dfbdfbdfbdfb Registered User Posts: 3,518 Senior Member
    Exactly, @Much2learn. This is one reason I find "chance" threads on CC almost educational malpractice—telling someone (as has happened on this thread, in the discussion of the OP's stats) that they are or should have been some sort of "lock" for a school that admits less than one of every seven applicants is silliness of the highest degree.
  • lookingforwardlookingforward Registered User Posts: 27,429 Senior Member
    edited March 5
    So much misinfo on this thread, speculation, distrust.

    It's not all about stats (lesson #1 in holistic.) Nor is it about a list of ECs. Those are just the bones. You fill out an entire app/supp, not just two sections. These tippy tops aren't automatic prizes you win for just presenting high school glory. It's about what they want, what more comes across. And it's a ridiculous competition, owing to the number of apps and so many top kids. You can look at Stanford, Brown and a few others that show the detail of how they reject a vast majority of top performers.

    Nor is it all about yield, a "convenient" gripe. The school knew OP was ED , which binds, except if aid falls short. Nor about one visit not being enough. (Interest is in what comes across in the app, your sense of match, how you show that.)

    OP, I'm sorry you've been disappointed. You worked hard. But my guess is the institutional needs played here. There may have been scores of kids from your area, with your interests, and the U has an institutional goal of geo diversity, balance in majors, and more. You may have made it well into the final rounds, where class-shaping takes place. You tried. But that final decision was in their hands.

    Best wishes with the rest. Let us know.

    @dfbdfb ...and chancing by kids whose own decisions are pending. Or who have yet to apply. Crazy.
  • greenfrogmemesgreenfrogmemes Registered User Posts: 121 Junior Member
    OP, re-read your essay or look for red flags in the application. Those or your LoR could be weakpoints.
  • Houston1021Houston1021 Forum Champion Rice Posts: 580 Forum Champion
    edited March 5
    I pray you get some good news soon on your RD applications. Keep us posted on how your other decisions come out. Last year some of my daughter's friends were very disappointed when they were deferred or rejected by their ED schools, but they all went on to get in other schools that ended up being great fits for them. When one door closes another one opens. Schools like Cornell want a class filled with students from all over the country and from foreign countries. You are being compared with other applicants from your school, city, state, etc. Maybe you got caught in a numbers game.
  • preppedparentpreppedparent Registered User Posts: 3,188 Senior Member
    Maybe its the Tufts effect. With your stats, Cornell may have thought you'd get into another ivy, so they are protecting their yield.
  • collegemom3717collegemom3717 Registered User Posts: 5,104 Senior Member
    @preppedparent, OP applied ED- yield =/= an issue.
  • preppedparentpreppedparent Registered User Posts: 3,188 Senior Member
    Okay, well then the cutting room floor is full of candidates with perfect stats. Elite colleges love to turn down kids who think they are a shoe in. Instead, they look for the underdog, the one with a compelling essay or application. My heart feels for you OP, because you did everything right. As a Cornell alumna myself, I'd be pleased to have the likes of you sitting next to me in class. I guess if its not yield and RD admissions, it's because you didn't have a hook--another pet peeve of mine. These days it's all about elite colleges giving the opportunity to someone they want to--not the best and brightest candidates.
  • GammaDeltaGammaDelta Registered User Posts: 77 Junior Member
    I am sure the OP will get in to some of the schools he applied. According to his posting, I see only top level schools and then some schools ranked in 95th or less in regional ranking. The schools are probably great in their own ways but the choice of schools for the OP seems rather odd. I wish OP all the best.
  • LadyMeowMeowLadyMeowMeow Registered User Posts: 260 Junior Member
    Maybe OP or somebody else will correct my math, but from

    http://cornellsun.com/2017/12/20/cornell-early-decision-admissions-rate-drops-for-3rd-year-in-a-row/

    it looks like there were 1533 students admitted ED. 47% male = 721. Now subtract the legacies (22%), the athletes (11.5%), and the international students (14.3%). Since those categories overlap, let's say you're looking at roughly 450 spots. 19.1% of the class is Asian American. Now you're looking at 90 -100 spots in your general category, but of course Cornell is not looking to fill all those spots with STEM/ Engineering applicants....

    I think there just weren't that many spots in your category compared to a huge number of qualified applicants (obviously including you.) Your statistics are absolutely amazing, but you just happened to be competing in a very competitive marketplace.
  • mamaedefamiliamamaedefamilia Registered User Posts: 2,917 Senior Member
    @armian Please don't beat yourself up about this. There is nothing obvious about the stats that you have presented that suggest glaring weaknesses. Your academic record is superb. Unfortunately, there are more qualified applicants than there are spots at top schools.

    Please let us know where you land - I'm sure it will be someplace great where your talent and hard work will be recognized.
  • CU123CU123 Registered User Posts: 2,350 Senior Member
    edited March 5
    @armian No that is not true, you are at a disadvantage as an Asian male. You are in an overrepresented group, which means that you are competing against other Asian males who may have much better resources (and high scores) to put together an application. Its not over until RD decisions come out, and hopefully you get into another of your reach schools. If you applied to any public universities you will almost assuredly be accepted as they are much more of a meritocracy than your reach schools, unfortunately none of them meet full financial need without loans. However, if you choose a public university out of the top 100 you could easily get a full ride.
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