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Any time to bs and relax?

LockMonkeyLockMonkey Registered User Posts: 62 Junior Member
edited August 2005 in Cornell University
Hey everyone I've just spent 5 years workin my A$$ off to get to Cornell and I think I have a shot at getting in ED so my question is when I get there am I going to have to kill my self for a A- average with the minimum number of classes? See I'd like to relax a little now that these 5 terrible years are over so if I take the minimum number of classes and apply myself CAS premed could I relax without shooting my grades down the toilet?
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Replies to: Any time to bs and relax?

  • slipper1234slipper1234 Registered User Posts: 9,084 Senior Member
    If you are looking to relax I would say Cornell might not be the Ivy for you. Its the most cuttroat Ivy, especially for pre-med.
  • eternity_hope2005eternity_hope2005 Registered User Posts: 524 Member
    I recommend you go to Brown university if you're looking for relaxation, a time of fun.
  • norcalguynorcalguy Registered User Posts: 7,548 Senior Member
    I recommend not doing premed if you're looking for relaxation.
  • jmarsh2006jmarsh2006 Registered User Posts: 712 Member
    yeah, brown is definitely the easy, "dont work too hard" ivy, because you can take the classes pass/fail, although the pre-med major is inherently challenging regardless of school, unless you're in some sort of accelerated medical school program, which Cornell doesn't offer.
  • CascadillaCascadilla Registered User Posts: 17 New Member
    Premed will be OK at Cornell, so long as you don't major in Biology. I am a premed who is majoring in Bio, and I'm really cursing my decision now.

    You have to take theses courses to finish pre med at Cornell:

    Bio 101 + 103
    Bio 102 + 104

    Chem 207
    Chem 208

    Orgo XYY (don't know the numbers)
    Orgo XYZ + Orgo Lab XYW

    Physics 101
    Physics 102

    Bio 101-104 is the weed-out course. It's a lot of work, and the grading is sadistic. The exams are poorly written and the lab course is miserable. The TAs in lab are allowed to hand out a maximum of 4 - 5 As per 36 students. The lecture is a bit less rough, but still no fun. I hated this sequence like nothing else.

    Chem 207 and Chem 208 are reasonable. Work hard, study well, and you'll pull As with little trouble. The man who teaches 207 is absolutely amazing and one of the best professors at Cornell.

    Orgo (at least for me) was extremely interesting, and thus, I really enjoyed it and did extremely well. The chemistry department is much nicer with grades than the bio department, so you should be just fine.

    Physics 101 and 102 - I'm taking these right now. The autotutorial format is intimidating, but I doubt that this course will be too demanding.

    If you just take the above, you will have time to relax and BS on weekdays and weekends (although there will be days that you will have no free time; they usually come three or four times a month).

    If you major in bio, you have another load of bio courses to deal with, and some of them are real tough deals. I am taking BioMI 290, BioMI 291, BioGD 281 (a very intimidating course, extremely time consuming from what I've heard) and Physics 101. I've had two days of class, and I already have quite a bit of work on my plate. I don't expect to have free time except on the weekends. This thought really drives me crazy sometimes.

    If you are organized and know how to manage your time, you'll be fine. There are, however, students at Cornell who are simply unable to earn As in science courses because of the competition. These people would have easily gotten As at other universities (I have studied at three schools now, and the standards are different).

    On one hand, the extremely demanding courses ensure that a student gets a damned solid education. As I said before, I have studied at three different schools, and Cornell is really on another level. I have faith that a student who pulls off a B in Cornell Bio 101 would likely be able to earn straight As in all of their pre med courses at another university.

    However, Cornell takes the intensity too far. If the classes are going to be this demanding, the curves should at least be set to a more friendly B average. That doesn't change the fact that there is TOO much work at Cornell. It places too much stress on the students and is unhealthy. The bio department is out of control.

    I spend most of the time at Cornell cursing the school and the workload. However, when I get a chance to look around without the burden of work on my mind, I realize that this may very well be the finest school one can attend.
  • eternity_hope2005eternity_hope2005 Registered User Posts: 524 Member
    imho, i think you should do the pre-med courses + a business major. I'm sure you can squeeze in:

    general bio 1 and bio II w/ labs - your first year
    gen. chem I and II w/ labs - your sophomore year
    organic chem I and II w/ labs - your senior year
    physics I and II w/ labs - your junior year (or senior year)

    The above are the essential pre-med courses needed to get into med school (or any other college).

    Take it one step at a time, and it will not be a problem. You will still have a busy schedule but I think you'll have time to have a life.

    Business / pre-med would be nice.

    To be a engineer / pre-med - that's a different story.
  • sparticus800sparticus800 Registered User Posts: 4,092 Senior Member
    if you're not premed, there is plenty of chill time. just stay on top of your work. there will most likely be crunch days, or a few days, or a week, 1 or 2 times per semester, but i think it will be pretty easy to bs, chill, and party.
  • Orbit_JOrbit_J Registered User Posts: 260 Junior Member
    engineer/premed...sigh...the two majors i'm looking into... why does it always need to be so tough for us asians!!!!
  • LockMonkeyLockMonkey Registered User Posts: 62 Junior Member
    well if I'm premed but I've got a LOT of AP credits and know all of the material I was supposed to learn in high school will that help with the ability to BS a little... Not like I want to party or anything really I just want to be able to relax a little... also if I am willing to spend 5 years do you all think that the A- average would be doable with relaxation time too
  • eternity_hope2005eternity_hope2005 Registered User Posts: 524 Member

    You mentioned in one of your earlier posts that you attended three different 'schools'. Did you transfer three different times before you ended up at Cornell?
  • CascadillaCascadilla Registered User Posts: 17 New Member
    I transferred from Ohio State and spent the last summer doing organic chemistry at Rutgers.
  • rachel212rachel212 Registered User Posts: 905 Member
    i was planning on majoring in bio for premed at cornell. but now i dont think i was to bc of what you've said cascadilla. is there a site that says what classes you take for what majors youve selected? i want to be as prepared as possible for med school but i dont want to spend my entire undergrad time in my dorm room studying... :-/
  • eternity_hope2005eternity_hope2005 Registered User Posts: 524 Member
    Some people are good at 'bio' while others aren't. Is it one of your strengths or weaknesses? Do you enjoy the subject more so than things like chemistry, physics, social sciences?

    These are the questions you should be asking yourself. Don't refuse to major in something just because somebody says it's 'hard'.
  • CascadillaCascadilla Registered User Posts: 17 New Member
    Don't base you decision about your major over one opinion (mine). Once you arrive at Cornell, you'll take bio for your premed sequence. Your experience in that class will let you know if you can successfully major in bio. My experience was miserable. While I performed decently, I hated almost every minute of the course. Other students more suited to bio enjoyed the course.

    I was forced into a bio major because I began my pre med sequence late into college, and didn't have the foundation courses for any other major. Because the biology major requirements mesh so well with the pre med sequence, it is the only major I can complete while being a pre med. Remember that my opinion is that of a student who dislikes biology. I am naturally going to have a very negative opinion.

    My senior year is looking to be the easiest year of school yet so far. I just need to survive these next two semesters...
  • rachel212rachel212 Registered User Posts: 905 Member
    sorry... what's a premed sequence?
    thank you for the advice :-)
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