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Perfect SAT and ACT scores

hnedmuqinhnedmuqin 2 replies1 postsRegistered User New Member
Hi, this is my first post here. My daughter got a perfect score, 2400, on her SAT and a perfect score, 36, on her ACT.

She is a junior. She took her first SAT on January 28 and her first SAT on Feburary 11. Both are her first try and she did not take any test preparation classes.

I am really happy for her. Her friends and schoolmates are not at all surprised and said the perfect scores were expected. I am writing here to show off a bit. I guess I am not very modest today. My daughter is smart and loves science very much.

On the other hand, I worry a lot about paying for those expensive private schools that she likes, as those only offer need-based aid, not merit scholarship. The middle class families seem to be out of luck for getting financial aid, not poor enough to go to school for free or rich enough to pay over $200,000 cash for four years of education.
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  • yodeloyodelo 948 replies126 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Hmmm you dont seem to be asking a question...Are you just posting to share your thoughts?
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  • yodeloyodelo 948 replies126 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    but much congratulations to your daughter!
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  • MaterMiaMaterMia 1070 replies90 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Honestly, I smell a **** ....
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  • bunny2015bunny2015 258 replies46 postsRegistered User Member
    I'm a student and I'm just wondering, how did she study for it? I need some tips, sorry I don't want to budge...
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  • Erin's DadErin's Dad 33012 replies3712 postsSuper Moderator Super Moderator
    If this is not a ****, congratulations. Maxing both the SAT and ACT puts your D in a select class. First, if your D is selected for NMF there are some schools that offer full tuition for that. There are also some great schools with full tuition scholarships for top scores and GPAs like U Alabama.
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  • turntablerturntabler 378 replies38 postsRegistered User Member
    "The middle class families seem to be out of luck for getting financial aid, not poor enough to go to school for free or rich enough to pay over $200,000 cash for four years of education."

    You know, I thought this was true when I first started searching, but now I think it's probably better to have more money in nearly all situations (applicable only to paying for college, of course).
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  • cortana431cortana431 4846 replies169 posts- Senior Member
    The full- and half-tuition scholarships at USC are primarily merit-based from what I heard, so that's just one really good school your daughter can get a full ride at.
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  • GoodJobBroGoodJobBro 276 replies53 postsRegistered User Member
    Even though I'm not gonna straight-up say that this is a ****, the readiness of many CCers to believe some things that are more-likely-than-not false makes we question how smart the people on this forum really are... lol
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  • hnedmuqinhnedmuqin 2 replies1 postsRegistered User New Member
    I don't know why people say "smell a ****". I regretted posting the message to let out my emotions, both joy and frustration. It is not a bad thing to get perfect scores for both of these important tests.

    We did some searching for private merit scholarships, and most of them require qualities such as having exceptionally strong "leadership". She is in the National Honor Society, but to qualify for those private scholarship, she has to be an exceptional leader in community services, etc. What is wrong with not wanting to be a strong leader? To make a society work, there have to be leaders and many many non-leaders. Why are most of the merit scholarship gear towards leaders? How many great scientists are community service leaders? What is wrong with being a good leader of yourself, i.e. be a good student, do a good job as a student?
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  • silverturtlesilverturtle 12415 replies81 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Congratulations to your daughter. Receiving both a 36 and a 2400 is very rare (probably a few dozen a year) and something to be proud of.

    It's important to note, however, that this combination will not significantly improve her chances in college admissions over having a single perfect score, which in turn does not yield much benefit over a near-perfect score.

    As in highly selective college admissions, it is important in almost all merit scholarship considerations to have extracurricular experience that demonstrates an applicant's capacity to contribute to campus and thereafter to leverage his or her education for society. In order to make an impact, a strong degree of initiative and the ability to work well in a team or better yet lead it (even research scientists have to interact in teams, lead others, and persuade their colleagues) are important. Extracurriculars that support an applicant's possession of those skills are thus helpful; being a leader of some sort in high school is a good way to do this.

    I don't know of any major scholarship programs that award grants on the sole basis of one's scores, except for perhaps some public universities' objective scholarship scaling programs. If an applicant has only great scores and grades and hopes to get into a very top university or earn a full-ride to a highly ranked school, he or she must be a truly extraordinary academic (in math, for instance, an IMO or at least MOSP qualifier) to get in on that merit alone.

    Best of luck to your daughter. Whether or not she is able to get into and comfortably afford the college of her choice, I'm sure she has the talent and drive to succeed in her chosen field regardless of the undergraduate institution she attends.
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  • hnedmuqinhnedmuqin 2 replies1 postsRegistered User New Member
    Thank you for the great message, Silverturtle. There is a lot of truth in what you are saying. Leadership is indeed an important attribute in every walks of life. There is no doubt about it. A lot of the winners of those private scholarship do things like fundraise to buy books for third world elementary schools, or go to other countries to volunteer, or establish a website for a cause, etc. All those deeds are noble and great, but very difficult to compete with. Compared with those, being a leader in a math team, a school project, or even an initiator of some community service actities look like nothing. How much time and effect can you kid put in to create opportunities to show his/her extrodinary leadership? Looks like the public universities' objective scharship is more attainable.
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  • yodeloyodelo 948 replies126 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    lol scared me with the **** talk
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  • bluebayoubluebayou 26656 replies174 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    My daughter is smart and loves science very much.

    She should have little trouble getting accepted to any tech/engineering college in the country. Now, whether they'd shower merit money on her is anyones' guess.
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  • newyorkmydreamsnewyorkmydreams 507 replies70 postsRegistered User Member
    Lol ****!
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  • silverturtlesilverturtle 12415 replies81 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    She should have little trouble getting accepted to any tech/engineering college in the country.

    Without major awards or a strong research background, Caltech must be considered an exception to your claim -- in addition to MIT of course, because its admissions practices are holistic in the manner of other highly competitive schools, like HYPS.
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  • cortana431cortana431 4846 replies169 posts- Senior Member
    Caltech, MIT, Harvey Mudd, and Cooper Union are all extremely selective, particularly Caltech and MIT. Your daughter will need a lot more than perfect test scores to get in. (I think she would have a better chance than most applicants though, females are given in edge in admission to engineering/tech schools)
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  • vinsimvinsim 55 replies10 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    I think you could be wrong Silver Turtle. A strong research background at such early age may not be necessary.

    This is the age where students must learn the existing knowledge. Those who can learn what already exists have a much better chance to innovate later on. Those who don't really understand fundamental science - may do google research and create a innovative project - but likely never be able to reach the frontiers of innovation that will turn into anything useful.

    If you see China and India - these countries are extremely merit based and have been producing better results than the US. Also if you see scientific temperament in US till 1980s it has largely been merit based. Since then, Managers (those who are not doers) have brought in Leadership to justify there own ascent on the value chain.

    A lot of Leadership at the age of 15-17 is meaningless as the children have not reached that level of maturity where they understand themselves and the science they are dealing with. Just a lot of drive and passion to do something good is a virtue but it is lot easily done than to work hard at studies and score perfect marks or to be a leader in real life situation (which requires a lot of grit and inner strength).

    Also good leaders, in the past have usually come out of the underprivileged lot - because the hardships had such a profound impact on them. One has to go through a lot of perseverance that makes someone a leader. These days there are businesses that will send you to a charity mission in Africa, charge big bucks for it and it will shop on your resume. It is easy to start a club at school than to go in slums in underdeveloped countries and live there and help out). What is really lacking is that most high schoolers are into Leadership because they need it for college application.

    Also note that merely having good leaders is not sufficient. You also need good followers and their goodness can only come from the sincerity of the leaders.

    If universities truly want to reward the Leaders they must go through their contribution and intent with a lens in their hands and a rare few would be selected. I would agree if some such demonstrated leadership was give a little weight in the application among other personality traits.

    On the other hand, those students who have worked hard upon themselves and persevered do actually have the potential to one day inspire others to follow them.
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  • rspencerspence 2109 replies9 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    @hnedmuqin, I'm kind of in the same boat. I only got a 2070 on my SAT, but got accepted to MIT. Problem is, I'm also in the middle-class with no financial aid. MIT doesn't give any merit-based aid either...
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  • Erin's DadErin's Dad 33012 replies3712 postsSuper Moderator Super Moderator
    ^ If you are in the middle class then you will have FA. To get no FA you have to be in the upper 10% of income earners in the US.
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  • chewydogchewydog 760 replies10 postsRegistered User Member
    Since it's 12:30 AM, I won't write down everything I thought of...

    Vinsim, your argument is a classic Idealism v. Realism conflict. If the US followed China and India's examples, the rich would be favored far more by the education system, as demonstrated in both Asian countries. Granted, merit has benefits by only looking at the information you can regurgitate. Though a poor student in a solely merit-based system can study hard enough and receive high scores (thus standing a fighting chance), these students face many obstacles which the rich easily bypass. Furthermore, merit systems inhibit diversity because students spend grueling hours to try and score a tad better than the next person who may be studying just as hard if not harder. Having Chinese cousins who live this everyday, I know for a fact that the merit system is also very punishing. If you perform poorly on an entrance exam, the odds against your success later in life exponentially increase. In comparison, the American system adds some buffering through the push for extracurriculars, having understood that not everyone is a study-bot. And that students can reveal their strengths through other methods. In addition, you excessively slander the image of leadership with that example of the African trip. Most students actually show leadership by taking on roles such as tutors, camp counselors, captains, presidents/vp/secretary/treasurer, and other methods. In most cases, students work hard to achieve their leadership roles and handle them well. The follower concept is true but continued membership in a club/activity usually shows sufficient abilities to follow. The rest of that statement just lost me. Anyways, I will not try and assert that the American system is flawless, but it definitely is a good alternative to the merit system. Paper tests are not everything at any age and will never be. The important things are what you actually retain and actually apply to situations beyond the classroom and test question 6C.

    As a side note: your comment about pointless research miffed me. I actually go to a professional lab to help out with real experiments and to conduct my own. What's wrong with that? I learn valuable information when I'm there, and I can practice applying concepts from the various science classes I have taken in high school to a real environment.
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