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Speaking Freely: What Students Think About Self-Expression at American Colleges

ZinheadZinhead 2473 replies137 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
A new survey by FIRE investigates what students think about self-expression on campus.

https://www.thefire.org/new-survey-majority-of-college-students-self-censor-support-disinvitations-dont-know-hate-speech-is-protected-by-first-amendment/
A new report from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education finds a majority of students on college campuses self-censor in class, support disinviting some guest speakers with whom they disagree, and don’t know that hate speech is protected by the First Amendment.

The complete survey is here:

https://www.thefire.org/publications/student-attitudes-free-speech-survey/student-attitudes-free-speech-survey-full-text/
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 78279 replies691 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited October 2017
    From https://www.thefire.org/publications/student-attitudes-free-speech-survey/student-attitudes-free-speech-survey-full-text/ :
    A majority of very liberal students (63%) and almost half of very conservative students (45%) agree that it is important to be part of a campus community where they are not exposed to intolerant or offensive ideas.

    There is a partisan divide of 32 percentage points in attitudes toward campus protest: 28% of Democrats and 60% of Republicans agree that they should not have to walk past student protests on campus.

    Seems like lots of students across the political spectrum support freedom of speech only in an ideologically selective manner (i.e. free speech for those they agree with, not for those they disagree with). Not surprising, and probably not all that different from non-students.
    edited October 2017
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  • toomanyteenstoomanyteens 1020 replies61 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    That is a tad disturbing honestly
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 78279 replies691 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    for example Ann Coulter -- I get it, she is far right and many people disagree strongly with her views. But it doesn't make it 'hate speech'. And yet it gets labeled as such.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter for those who want to judge for themselves.
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  • alhalh 8486 replies47 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    ^Thank you.
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  • OHMomof2OHMomof2 12889 replies244 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    https://www.thefire.org/harvard-bows-to-pressure-from-the-intelligence-community-withdraws-visiting-fellow-title-from-chelsea-manning/
    The Fellows Program was established in 1966, and the fellowships are designed to allow professionals to “shar[e] their experiences with students and explor[e] important public issues with a distinguished group of their peers.” Among the fellows announced on Wednesday was Chelsea Manning, a former U.S. Army intelligence analyst.

    It seems the "free speech free speech!!" contingent is very capable of shutting down speech it doesn't like as well.
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  • ZinheadZinhead 2473 replies137 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    It is funny how some people are quick to attack FIRE unless they are defending speaker they approve of.
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  • Ohiodad51Ohiodad51 2459 replies41 threadsForum Champion Athletic Recruits Forum Champion
    You guys are all kidding, right? Some of you at least understand that this is troubling, don't you?

    And no, there is absolutely no equivalence between Chelsea Manning not getting to be a visiting fellow and half of college students believing that "hate speech" is not protected by the 1st amendment.
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  • toomanyteenstoomanyteens 1020 replies61 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    @Ohiodad51 I certainly do - heck I am totally okay with people's right to protest even issues that I think are stupid or in places I disagree with and I am also glad I have the right to say that I disagree with the what or the venue.

    It is troubling that so many students believe they can shut don't speech they consider 'hate' which is clearly subjective anyway -- oh the slippery slope
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  • bluebayoubluebayou 26770 replies174 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    who funds FIRE?

    This specific study was funded by the John Templeton Fdn, a reputable group.
    This publication was made possible through the support of a grant from the John Templeton Foundation. The opinions expressed in this publication are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the John Templeton Foundation.

    https://www.thefire.org/publications/student-attitudes-free-speech-survey/student-attitudes-free-speech-survey-full-text/
    Again the question should be why is the incidence of hate speech increasing now? .....
    That's the bigger question. Has FIRE looked into that?

    Not sure its fair to criticize the authors for the book that they did not write.
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  • OHMomof2OHMomof2 12889 replies244 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    there is absolutely no equivalence between Chelsea Manning not getting to be a visiting fellow and half of college students believing that "hate speech" is not protected by the 1st amendment.

    Correct, however that's not what I said. The equivalence I am making is between provocative right-wing speakers being dis-invited/shut down, and Chelsea Manning being dis-invited/shut down.

    Being a "visiting fellow" IS, essentially, being a speaker.
    The Institute of Politics runs what's called the Visiting Fellows program, which each semester invites a select number of "prominent" political practitioners to the university to serve for a shorter period of time - often a week - than a resident fellowship, which lasts a full academic semester.

    The list of fellows, current (like Spicer and Lewandowski) and former (tons of politicians, journalists and public figures of various sorts including pretty controversial ones) is available here: http://iop.harvard.edu/fellows/list

    Manning didn't get shut down by students, Manning got shut down by powerful adults.
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  • ZinheadZinhead 2473 replies137 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Manning didn't get shut down by students, Manning got shut down by powerful adults.

    Harvard rescinded the distinction being named a fellow, but allowed Manning to speak. Can you see the difference?
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  • OHMomof2OHMomof2 12889 replies244 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    I see *a* difference in that Harvard said we are taking away your title but we will "let you" speak (for pay?), but when Lewandowski is kept on a fellow and Manning is not, there's a double standard at work here - and not the one most people complain about here on CC.

    But really, it was a big FU from Harvard. And they made some incredibly twisty pretzels trying to justify it because it is contrary to the stated goals of the visiting fellows program.
    In general across the School, we do not view the title of “Fellow” as conveying a special honor; rather, it is a way to describe some people who spend more than a few hours at the School.

    We invited Chelsea Manning to spend a day at the Kennedy School. Specifically, we invited her to meet with students and others who are interested in talking with her, and then to give remarks in the Forum where the audience would have ample opportunity—as with all of our speakers—to ask hard questions and challenge what she has said and done. On that basis, we also named Chelsea Manning a Visiting Fellow. We did not intend to honor her in any way or to endorse any of her words or deeds, as we do not honor or endorse any Fellow.
    https://www.hks.harvard.edu/announcements/statement-dean-elmendorf-regarding-invitation-chelsea-manning-be-visiting-fellow

    Harvard K backed down when pressure from some very powerful government officials was applied. IMO this is worse than students not wanting to hear a speaker and protesting.
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  • Ohiodad51Ohiodad51 2459 replies41 threadsForum Champion Athletic Recruits Forum Champion
    @OHMomof2, I can't believe that you don't see a distinction between a student's heckler's veto and an institutional decision.
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  • OHMomof2OHMomof2 12889 replies244 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    That's not what I said either, @Ohiodad51

    Institutions decide to dis-invite speakers fairly often, OP starts a thread on them most every time.

    I notice none was started when Harvard-Kennedy dis-invited Manning, though, That doesn't fit the narrative of a certain type of free speech champion and a certain type of oppressive censor I suppose.
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