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When people don't vaccinate their kids

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Replies to: When people don't vaccinate their kids

  • Nrdsb4Nrdsb4 Registered User Posts: 14,801 Senior Member
    No vaccines are 100%.
  • greenwitchgreenwitch Registered User Posts: 7,318 Senior Member
    OK, now you've all reminded me that I have no Hepatitis vaccines at all and I do like raw oysters. Which vaccines should I get?
  • surfcitysurfcity Registered User Posts: 1,943 Senior Member
    I don't mind if drug companies make money on vaccines. They put a lot of money into R&D and they deserve to make money on their product just like Chevy deserves to make money on its cars.

    The problem I have is you cannot tell which child will have an adverse reaction to a vaccine. And to have huge numbers of unvaxxed kids brings down herd immunity which definitely increases the number of people who will get sick.

    I have not seen compelling data on significant adverse reactions to vaccines; if someone could post some I'd love to read them.

    And I say this as someone whose family member contracted Guillain Barre shortly after a flu shot - there is still not hard evidence of a connection to me and it does not stop me from getting my daughter a flu shot because I don't want to risk severe asthma with her.
  • romanigypsyeyesromanigypsyeyes Registered User Posts: 32,798 Senior Member
    Hep A.

    I only know because of the Hep A outbreak here >.<
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 63,460 Senior Member
    greenwitch wrote:
    OK, now you've all reminded me that I have no Hepatitis vaccines at all and I do like raw oysters. Which vaccines should I get?

    Raw oysters come with the risk of hepatitis A (and some other things).

    https://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/tc/hepatitis-a-and-undercooked-shellfish-topic-overview
  • MaineLonghornMaineLonghorn Super Moderator Posts: 31,689 Super Moderator
    I had one hep A vaccine in 2005. Instead of just ordering another vaccination for me, my doctor put in an order for my blood to be tested for immunity. Sure enough, I am still immune to hep A, so I didn't have to get another shot. :)

  • anomanderanomander Registered User Posts: 1,230 Senior Member
    Lest we forget:

    "H1N1 Vaccine Shortages Create Panic, Worry"
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/swine-flu-h1n1-flu-vaccine-shortage-panic/story?id=8915650

    Interesting question - do anti-vaxxers continue to skip vaccines when there are outbreaks such as the one I linked above? Or do they get in line with everybody else since there's no herd immunity to protect them?
  • CIEE83CIEE83 Registered User Posts: 540 Member
    edited October 28
    Sorty, a bit of a late respone.

    “How are you going to control this? Should they wear armbands? Should the government forcibly vaccinate/revaccinate every single person of every age (even if they are completely healthy), damn the torpedoes? Because that looks like what some are advocating.”

    @TranquilMind - can you supply a source for who is advocating this?

    “Check out the VAERS reports on Gardasil.”

    As noted by several athers, the VAERS system does not track proven side effects, but rather ANY reported events after vaccination in order to allow patterns to be detected. You do have to apply some critical thinking to the information, though. Gardasil, for example, has a higher-than-expected incidence of blood clots reported compared to other vaccines. However, the rate of blood clots was in line with that in the unvaccinated population that had similar risk factors, e.g. use of birth control pills. Sometimes commonly reported adverse effects are reported just because they’re common.

    It’s true that vaccines have rare serious side effects. Guillain-Barré affects about 1 in a million... although there is also a background incidence of Guillain-Barré, so the true incidence may be lower. But almost 4000 women die from cervical cancer each year. And if you as a parent are that worried about the 1 in a million risk, then I strongly advise you never to let your child get into a car, because the risk of dying in a car crash is far, far higher.
  • romanigypsyeyesromanigypsyeyes Registered User Posts: 32,798 Senior Member
    edited October 29
    People like Wakefield infuriate me and I firmly believe they should be in prison. It's one thing to be an anti-vaxxer. It's another to use your credentials to lie for financial gain. He's no different to me than a doctor who would knowingly poison a patient.

    Wakefield was trying to sell a product and instead spawned a conspiracy that has cost thousands of lives.
  • silverladysilverlady Registered User Posts: 558 Member
    This month's Smithsonian Magazine several articles on the Flu. There is a long scary article on the Influenza of 1918-1919. There is an article on "The Birth of a Killer" on the H7N9 virus and an article on "How to stop a lethal virus". These are must read articles.
  • romanigypsyeyesromanigypsyeyes Registered User Posts: 32,798 Senior Member
    Thanks for the heads up silver.
  • BunsenBurnerBunsenBurner Registered User Posts: 32,752 Senior Member
    Thank you for posting that, Romani. Wow.
  • silverladysilverlady Registered User Posts: 558 Member
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