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The Atlantic: Better Schools Won’t Fix America

1NJParent1NJParent 2468 replies37 threads Senior Member
edited June 2019 in Parents Forum
Which is the cause and which is the effect? Poor and uneven education or income inequality? The author explains why he changed his mind.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/education-isnt-enough/590611/
edited June 2019
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 83784 replies743 threads Senior Member
    They can be causes and effects of each other. But not the only causes and effects of each other.
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  • lookingforwardlookingforward 35411 replies399 threads Senior Member
    Exactly. Many factors influence one's education- and SES- potential. I don't want to diss the article because the author is clearly examining. But this issue is complex.

    Sometimes, it's as simple as parental ecouragement (absolutely possible to find in all levels of SES.) Other times, you see kids who have thrived without this. Maybe a few great mentors, maybe unique opps within even an overall low-performing hs.
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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 6934 replies171 threads Senior Member
    Oh no. Not dodgeball again. 🧐🤔
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  • TheBigChefTheBigChef 710 replies6 threads Member
    “Schooling may boost the prospects of individual workers, but it doesn’t change the core problem, which is that the bottom 90 percent is divvying up a shrinking share of the national wealth. Fixing that problem will require wealthy people to not merely give more, but take less.”

    According to the internet, Nick Hanauer is a billionaire. Easy to tell other people they will have to take less when you’re already sitting on a billion dollars.
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  • yourmommayourmomma 1323 replies1 threads Senior Member
    Unfortunately, the writer isn't too bright. He proposes min. wages, OT exemptions, unions and taxes. He doesn't get simple economics (and this is economics, not politics). The fundamental problem is "globalization." When you add millions of poverty stricken workers from around the world to the workforce -- either thru "free" trade or uncontrolled immigration -- you're going to get stalled wages. Globally, there is more labor supply than demand. If your home country labor is too expensive you either fill it with immigration or move to a cheaper labor location. When you do that, and then mandate a $15 min wage, well that person has to come to the table with $15 skills. What you can't do is force me to pay $15 wages and make me compete with China (or whatever the next low wage country will be).
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  • bluebayoubluebayou 28057 replies208 threads Senior Member
    The fundamental problem is "globalization."

    Bingo.
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  • roethlisburgerroethlisburger 3149 replies177 threads Senior Member
    @garland

    That study is flawed because it uses kindergarten test scores. A better study would look at ACT/SAT scores.
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  • sorghumsorghum 3657 replies116 threads Senior Member
    The "problem" is not globalization, because thanks to globalization your $15 per hour can buy a huge amount of stuff.
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  • yourmommayourmomma 1323 replies1 threads Senior Member
    The "problem" is not globalization, because thanks to globalization your $15 per hour can buy a huge amount of stuff.

    But for a decent place to live and transportation, you're right. A whole load of cheep, throw away, crap.
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  • vpa2019vpa2019 684 replies18 threads Member
    It's thanks to globalization that huge numbers of well paying manufacturing jobs left the US...gutting the middle class. Personally I’d rather have less stuff that’s made here than the crap coming from China.
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  • TooOld4SchoolTooOld4School 3373 replies12 threads Senior Member
    What nonsense! He identifies 'income inequality' as a huge problem, as if the massive wealth created by the tech industry is a bad thing. Poverty is an actual problem, but poor in America are middle class by world standards, so even that needs to be re-defined. America is the only country in the world where the poor are fat.

    For a VC, he seems to be exceptionally ignorant of capitalism, innovation, and the forces of the free market. Maybe he should consider those turning those loose on the education system. And maybe he could reduce the supply of unskilled labor by reducing the number of unskilled immigrants, whose children overwhelm the existing educational system. Maybe make the children and parents the clients, instead of the unions. But that seems to be a real stretch for a 'VC'.
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  • JHSJHS 18503 replies72 threads Senior Member
    edited June 2019
    For a VC, he seems to be exceptionally ignorant of capitalism, innovation, and the forces of the free market. Maybe he should consider those turning those loose on the education system.

    It's funny -- This is probably the only country in the world where people talk like that about education and health care, and it has gotten really mixed results. There are some very bright spots of quality -- some associated with "free market" systems, others really not so much -- and a lot of general failure, all at exceptionally high cost. The quality record of large-scale (i.e., not just an individual or two), for-profit providers in both fields is actually horrendous.
    reducing the number of unskilled immigrants, whose children overwhelm the existing educational system

    As if.
    edited June 2019
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  • yikesyikesyikesyikesyikesyikes Forum Champion U. Michigan 1902 replies136 threads Forum Champion
    I think Steven Pinker has some very thought provoking insight about income inequality. I recommend his book "Enlightenment Now".

    Here is an article adapted from one his chapters:

    https://bigthink.com/big-think-books/steven-pinker-enlightenment-now-inequality-happiness
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