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Texas parents -- new class rank legislation

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  • missypiemissypie 17976 replies503 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 18,479 Senior Member
    The answer is in the editorial:

    To "ensure that all Texas students are competing for college admission on equal footing."

    It will give a lot more kids the chance to be in the top 10%....above average but not brilliant? smart but don't like to study very hard? Get 100s in your regular courses, and you'll beat all those ambitious super smart kids out of the top 10%. Very democratic. Not wise, but democratic.

    I have a very smart 7th grader who is not very interested in academics...she'd much rather be dancing, cheering, tumbling, etc. She would LOVE IT if we let her take all regular classes....she'd breeze through and maybe she'd be the first of our kids to break into the top 10% (under the proposed method.) Then she'd get to college and hit the wall, like most of her other peers who also didn't challenge themselves.
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  • missypiemissypie 17976 replies503 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 18,479 Senior Member
    As I think more about it, under the proposed plan, it will be easier than ever to "game the system" (if a high GPA is your primary goal.)

    There are some courses at our school where you need to have taken the pre-AP courses to get the AP courses...math comes to mind. You can't get to AP Calc senior year without taking the preAP math courses. So a student would have to bite the bullet and take the unweighted pre-AP math classes. Or, better yet, take three years of regular math, then AP Stats.

    But, for example, I think it would be pretty easy for a smart kid to succeed in the AP English and social studies courses (offered only in 11th and 12th grades) while only having taken the regular courses in 9th and 10th....So a student takes the regular courses in 9th and 10th grades to get the sure A.

    Enrollment in AP courses with no real prerequisite would sky rocket (AP Art History comes to mind.)

    If you don't ever plan to take an AP science, no reason to take the pre-AP version of that science earlier in school. Or, take regular Bio, Chem and Physics and AP Environmental senior year.

    Hmmm....I think I have my 7trh grader's high school courses all figured out now....
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  • Youdon'tsayYoudon'tsay 19094 replies454 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 19,548 Senior Member
    Here's a link to the whole edit: In equal measure: New rules to standardize how grade point averages are formulated for Texas students will bring fairness | Editorial | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

    missypie, interesting thoughts. It will put the onus on schools, I'm thinking, to set up mechanisms for kids to be able to skip the prereqs if they want to.

    Also, though, will we need two GPA calculations -- one for Texas top10% and one for OOS?
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  • missypiemissypie 17976 replies503 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 18,479 Senior Member
    Our school pushes AP classes so much that there aren't formal prereqs. If a student wanted to take regular math and then try AP Calc senior year, he would be allowed to enroll. It's just the conventional wisdom at the school that you really need to take the preAPs to do well in Calc. But you may be right....they might have to institute formal prereqs to keep the preAP classes full.
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  • prefectprefect 1264 replies17 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,281 Senior Member
    In my opinion, this will hurt two groups of students the most: Those who want to go out of state to competitive colleges and the smartest and most motivated who want to stay in state. The kids who want to go out of state, to top 20 caliber schools need to have taken the most rigorous courses that their schools offer. They can't take remedial math, basic english, etc. So, they take the honors, pre ap, etc. When they get an 89 or 90 in these courses and the kids taking the easy courses get 99's, their class rank will suffer, and possibly their college admissions choices will suffer as well. The chronicle seems to think that this doesn't matter, that they should be learning just for learning's sake. For the student wanting to go to competitive colleges out of state, a class rank of 25th percentile will hurt. The motivated student who wants to stay instate will probably elect to take the easiest courses possible to attain the top 10% rank, but won't be as prepared as if he/she had taken more difficult courses. Taking the harder courses won't help this kid because it will hurt his/her class rank, most likely. Potentially, UT could be getting a class full of kids who were top 10% but were less prepared than their lower ranked classmates. Why can't the lesgistors trust individual schools to recognize what the most difficult courses at their schools are and calculate GPA's according to the level of difficulty?
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  • missypiemissypie 17976 replies503 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 18,479 Senior Member
    I agree.

    But the trend is for Texas legislators not to trust the local districts to do anything.

    Of course, there may be a lot of horrible districts in the state, so the distrust may be warranted for some.
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  • missypiemissypie 17976 replies503 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 18,479 Senior Member
    Okay, I finally read the AG opinion...he said that teh new method should not be applied retroactively:

    Tex. Att'y Gen. Op. No. GA-0655 (2008) -- Greg Abbott Administration

    So I guess our seniors are safe, contrary to what the newspaper articles say.
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  • Youdon'tsayYoudon'tsay 19094 replies454 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 19,548 Senior Member
    "UT could be getting a class full of kids who were top 10% but were less prepared than their lower ranked classmates."

    According to my friends who teach there, that's exactly what's already happening.
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  • missypiemissypie 17976 replies503 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 18,479 Senior Member
    And Oklahoma loves to get our not quite top 10% kids.
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  • Youdon'tsayYoudon'tsay 19094 replies454 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 19,548 Senior Member
    Where the wind goes whipping down the plain? We'll check it out!
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  • MidwestMom2Kids_MidwestMom2Kids_ 6345 replies328 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 6,673 Senior Member
    If a high school kid had college admissions as his/her main criteria for HS course selection, he would have to decide early on whether he wants a Texas public college or "other." For a Texas public college, the key is rank, so unless a class is AP or IB, only take it if you are 100% sure of an A. As missypie said
    But, for example, I think it would be pretty easy for a smart kid to succeed in the AP English and social studies courses (offered only in 11th and 12th grades) while only having taken the regular courses in 9th and 10th....So a student takes the regular courses in 9th and 10th grades to get the sure A.

    Students who want to go to "other" should take the honors courses that interest them. Their GC will be able to check the "most rigorous curriculum" box on the application (something that matters to "other" colleges), and they will be able to explain their "lower than you would think for such a sharp kid" class rank by saying "I'm from Texas."

    This could be interesting.
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  • prefectprefect 1264 replies17 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 1,281 Senior Member
    I think it goes sweeping down the plain! And the wavy wheat sure smells sweet when the wind comes right behind the rain. But anyway, check it out!
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  • missypiemissypie 17976 replies503 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 18,479 Senior Member
    Our school did that show two years ago....lots of fun.

    I think that lots (all? most?) of the state schools in Oklahoma and Arkansas are giving in state tuition for "qualified" Texas students.
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  • Youdon'tsayYoudon'tsay 19094 replies454 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 19,548 Senior Member
    Whip, sweep, you say potato, I say potahto. At least my honey lamb and I can sit and talk and watch a hawk making lazy circles in the sky!

    Was that right? I was never in a musical, obviously.
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  • missypiemissypie 17976 replies503 discussionsRegistered User Posts: 18,479 Senior Member
    Sky-eye-eye-eye-eye-eye
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