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May 1st is around - Emory Vs Rice

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Replies to: May 1st is around - Emory Vs Rice

  • bernie12bernie12 Registered User Posts: 5,293 Senior Member
    Yeah, so it's the latter where many/most chose courses/profs. Otherwise it's very hard. Unfortunate that many will have to sacrifice learning and good teaching to get into med./professional school, not to assert that most wanted to learn, but still... not like most had a choice unless they were extremely strong students willing to work very hard or to perhaps get some Bs (but not too many of course).

    However, I think the bad thing is the fact that those who cherry-pick easy profs. not only make getting 3.7-3.8 doable, but easy. There should not be such a disparity between teaching style, quality, and rigor within a single dept., or worse, a course. The disparities in orgo. and physics for example, are horrible. The fact that people at a top school can go into any science class knowing they won't have to work hard at all is a huge problem. Emory should fix that. And of course, it has the same problem as other universities where the humanities/social sciences are unacceptably easy grading, thus people could leave here not knowing how to write or communicate that well, but their grades will indicate otherwise.

    However, Emory's problems are the same as the other top 20s. Oddly enough, it's gpa is on par or lower than peers that have engineering schools/depts. Considering the fact we don't have one, and engineering is supposed to be hard, it is odd that places like Duke, Northwestern, WashU, and Rice have higher graduating GPAs than Emory. These schools obviously are not as hard as they make themselves out to be. They probably have overcompensating curves.

    And it is also true that some of the harder professors for pre-med classes here make those at even top Ivies look moderate to easy. However, these schools generally have at least all moderate profs whereas Emory will range from Very tough to fairly easy. And then of course the curve is not as large (places like Brown for example have no class with a median lower than B, whereas we probably still have some C+ and quite a few B- sections).
  • charlie5504charlie5504 Registered User Posts: 54 Junior Member
    Bernie, do you know what is the average GPA for a pre-med student, the percent of pre-med students that get into med school, and percent of students dropping out of pre-med?

    I'm planning on doing pre-med at Emory this fall and I am just wondering.
  • bernie12bernie12 Registered User Posts: 5,293 Senior Member
    I don't know all of those stats. I just know that only about 50% are admitted (many to amazing medical schools) because the applicant pool is oversaturated. Many people that should drop it don't, or the MCAT slaps them down and they still apply. The easiest part is probably just getting the GPA, however, often the MCAT suffers if you use the method described above. A low MCAT+High GPA=Grade inflation, and even medschool adcoms recognize this. Also, apparently many top schools want a well-rounded schedule as opposed to just a bunch of science courses that appear to help one for med. school (reality is, most don't. Perhaps taking teachers that do case/research based learning do though. If anything, if done right, and you don't cheat, you'll develop a work ethic that will benefit you that many won't have entering med. school). I will post the following link where Dean Ram (Runs pre-health office) discusses some visitations by prestigious schools such as Chicago and Stanford.

    Such blog posts are on the following page: There are also other interesting topics displayed throughout the page.
    [url=http://preetharam.****/author/preetharam/]Preetha Ram Innovating Education[/url]
  • Colleges00701Colleges00701 - Posts: 1,790 Senior Member
    ^^^ Most kids though who work their asses off (learning the material/relearning the material/and then studying the material for a 3rd time) in their classes for a 3.7-3.8 gpa, do fine on the MCATs, because they know the material well. For example, I recently took a kaplan MCAT diagnostic, with no studying, for my kaplan classroom class, and scored close to a 30. Considering how you need at least a 30 to be competitive at most medical schools and a 35 to be competitive at top medical schools, I think I had a good diagnostic test. My goal is obv. a 35+ so I still have a lot of hard work to do.
  • bernie12bernie12 Registered User Posts: 5,293 Senior Member
    I agree. My friend who is off to med. school this fall, never really took a full prep. course. She studied for the MCAT four weeks (she was a chem. major who transferred from Alabama) and she got a 33 or 34, I forgot. She said that she didn't have time to study several months b/c she needed to work, and she found it hard to believe that people had so much time and money for it. Either way, she wasn't really aiming for top med. schools, like many, she wanted to go back home (Alabama), so she really just wanted to go to UAB, and I don't blame her because top med. schools cost way too much unless you are a scholarship candidate which is extremely difficult. I have another acquaintance like this who scored a 41\3.85 (Emory also) and simply wants to go back to Nevada. To me, these are the rather humble people at Emory. Or they at least realize that going to a top med. school for a huge amount of money vs. becoming a doctor is not worth debating.

    Also, many people who do that well(35) actually have lower than 3.7 GPAs, though that's kind of rare at Emory and common at the other schools. I have another friend who scored about 36 with a 3.4-3.5 b/c he took the most challenging courses/profs. He's also off to med. school in the fall. Another is off to WashU med with his 3.8?(or 3.7?) and 38 MCAT. He did the same thing. My associate and former Co-TA approaching his second year at Harvard (keep in mind, he followed the money, he was offerered full scholarship) is also the same.

    I think you'll be fine Colleges, just keep working on it. You had the right approach, you will get there. And if not to the top school range (you still apply to one anyway if you really are interested in what the particular school has to offer), you will still become a doctor, and you'll make a damned good one too. It's just many of your peers that worry me. The "I just want an A crew". Don't know their chances and could care less. Some of these people should not have gotten past gen. bio. Bio and chem. need to start handing out D/Fs again (I think bio used to give plenty) and the curves in orgo. are too generous to the bottom (many of whom should have definitely got a D/F, instead their exam average has to go below like 45-40 for that grade). It's kind of a "Save the Suckers" curve.
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