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Goizueta vs. Ross business school

shalomchavershalomchaver Registered User Posts: 4 New Member
edited May 2011 in Emory University
I am currently debating if I should attend Emory University or the University of Michigan. One of my biggest considerations are their business schools. Both schools are ranked within the top 5 in the nation but what are the real differences between the two. Is it worth taking the risk of going to michigan in which Ross is still very hard to get into while the acceptance rate of goizueta is around 70%?
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  • UVAorBustUVAorBust Registered User Posts: 2,504 Senior Member
    Ross is much more respected than Goizueta. However, if you work hard at Emory and keep a good GPA you'll be fine.
  • hsu0216hsu0216 Registered User Posts: 20 New Member
    I wouldn't say Ross is more "respected" than Goizueta. Both have top 3 accounting and finance firms recruiting undergrads, and Emory has the benefit of being right out of Atlanta, a major city with companies such as Delta, CNN, UPS, Home Depot, Coca Cola, etc.

    To facilitate these internships, the Goizueta business school has no classes on Fridays for students to go to internship opportunities. You may choose to take this as Emory being more lax academically or that Emory is very practical in getting their students on track for their dream jobs.

    Also, Emory students (in the whole university) score 100-200 points higher on average in their SAT scores than students from Michigan, not to mention Emory is a more exclusive university to begin with. Emory literally has 1/5th the students Michigan has (26k vs 5k students), and Michigan's acceptance rate is about 50% versus 28% for Emory.
    As a whole Emory is SIGNIFICANTLY more exclusive than Michigan, so being easier to get into a specialized school in Emory as opposed to Michigan is pretty justified. Though I may be generalizing, Emory's students are "smarter" if you look at SAT scores and admissions statistics (but of course "smarter" is a very superficial term to use).

    as you know, Businessweek ranked Emory top 3 in the BBA program (above Wharton), so right now it's a good place to be if you want rep.

    I don't think this is a choice you can screw up, but personally, the more personal and friendlier environment (they're not kidding when they talk about southern hospitality) along with the absolutely STUNNING facilities won me over towards Emory.

    Edit:
    Obviously I'm biased because I'm going to Emory, so you have to make your own decisions. Find out what opportunities and amenities are available at each university. I wouldn't trust someone who just throws out unsubstantiated claims like "Ross is much more respected than Goizueta" as if that's supposed to mean anything.
  • TJC747TJC747 Registered User Posts: 510 Member
    Hsu, I agree with your post. I mean UVAorBust, why don't you stop lurking these Emory forums and go back to your little friends in Charlottesville? Ross over Goizeuta, what are you on?
  • hsu0216hsu0216 Registered User Posts: 20 New Member
    This is an excerpt out of businessweek talking about goizuetta
    "After McIntire is Emory's Goizueta Business School (Goizueta Undergraduate Business Profile), which jumped four spots in the ranking. Not only can Goizueta students study abroad at an international institution like Cass Business School in London or Bocconi University in Milan, but they can also gain work experience abroad through a business internship with Voestalpine (VOE:AV), a Linz (Austria)-based steel company."

    and about Ross
    "Two years ago, the University of Michigan's Ross School of Business (Ross Undergraduate Business Profile), No. 6 on the list, launched Eurasia Now!, a program that matches interested students with internships overseas. For the summer of 2011, internship options include positions in Istanbul at FIBA Holding or Teknosa, a technology retail chain. This year, applications have doubled, as students are beginning to realize the benefit of the program, says Rachael Criso, who heads Eurasia Now! at Michigan. "It gives them something very substantial to talk about in job interviews with prospective employers," Criso says."
  • InfinitInfinit Registered User Posts: 318 Member
    Let's just forget about ranking for a minute. If your ultimate goal is something like high finance, then pick Ross and don't look. Let's be honest most rankings for undergraduate business programs are a complete joke. Most of them don't even have Wharton being listed as number one.

    Goizueta is a great program, and it'll probably offer you loads of opportunities. If you don't know what you want to do yet, and you really like Emory, pick Goizueta. However programs like Ross, Haas, Sloan, and Stern will afford you a bit more opportunities.

    EDIT: In certain extremely competitive industries, UVA is right. Ross is a major target for Bulge Bracket Investment Banks, and the elite boutique banks only hire from undergrad business programs like Wharton, Ross, Sloan, and Stern. Just sort the list from business week by starting salary, and you'll notice a sizable gap between schools like Ross, McIntire, Sloan, Wharton compared to Goizueta. Just because Businessweek ranks Goizueta hire than Wharton doesn't change anything.
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Registered User Posts: 10,363 Senior Member
    "Let's be honest most rankings for undergraduate business programs are a complete joke"

    This one isn't:

    Best Undergraduate Business Programs | Rankings | US News

    "Ross over Goizeuta, what are you on?"

    Apparantly not the same Kool-Aid you've been drinking. :-)
  • ohioman2011ohioman2011 Registered User Posts: 115 Junior Member
    are you ignorant rjkofnovi? US news' rankings are based solely on a peer review; It says so in the first paragraph. Businessweek's are based on a lot more categories. Therefore the us news hold no substance in my opinion.
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Registered User Posts: 10,363 Senior Member
    ^^^^Why don't you take your considered opinion on Goizueta over Ross to the CC section on business majors. Tell them that Wharton isn't as good as Goizueta as well and watch as they laugh you out of the forum. After all, BW's opinions change dramatically every year, so maybe Wharton will top them once again next year. After all Emory jumped from 7th to 3rd in one year. I could easily see them falling out of the top ten in the next ranking the way BW mixes them up every year. Geez..........
  • ohioman2011ohioman2011 Registered User Posts: 115 Junior Member
    Considering Emory has been in the top ten for at least five years I doubt they will be falling out of the top ten. All I am saying is that businessweek has substance to their rankings and us news does not. I just find it funny you made fun of the guy for saying that rankings are a joke and then posted rankings that are bases solely on a peer assessment and give no consideration to anything else. Your rankings are the complete joke...
  • InfinitInfinit Registered User Posts: 318 Member
    Well, actual "substance" matters a lot less than reputation in business. This isn't Economics we're talking about, or Mathematics, or Political Science, or Electrical Engineering. This is business, and probably around half of the grads that get the top business jobs aren't even business majors. If you are aiming for I-banking jobs (not saying you should (I personally wouldn't), but BB placement seems to the "underground" method of rankings undergrad business programs), the big firms can always teach you most of the stuff. So the amount you can actually "know" matter very little. Plus a lot of this information is readily and easily accessible online, so it's really a question of iniative. whether you can answer the technical questions or not.

    I'm not saying reputation is the proper way to judge schools, but reputation is going to help you get the job. That's why many people will easily turn down Goizueta for Ross. Goizueta might be the better program, but as long as top "prestigious" firms continue to recruit more heavily at Ross than at Goizueta, top students will continue to pick Ross.
  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi Registered User Posts: 10,363 Senior Member
    ^^^^Well said Infinit. As has been stated many times all over CC, top prestigious business firms are prestige wh*res. That is why I recommend Ross over Goizueta.
  • FlcollegemanFlcollegeman Registered User Posts: 275 Junior Member
    Well, actual "substance" matters a lot less than reputation in business. This isn't Economics we're talking about, or Mathematics, or Political Science, or Electrical Engineering. This is business, and probably around half of the grads that get the top business jobs aren't even business majors. If you are aiming for I-banking jobs (not saying you should (I personally wouldn't), but BB placement seems to the "underground" method of rankings undergrad business programs), the big firms can always teach you most of the stuff. So the amount you can actually "know" matter very little. Plus a lot of this information is readily and easily accessible online, so it's really a question of iniative. whether you can answer the technical questions or not.

    I'm not saying reputation is the proper way to judge schools, but reputation is going to help you get the job. That's why many people will easily turn down Goizueta for Ross. Goizueta might be the better program, but as long as top "prestigious" firms continue to recruit more heavily at Ross than at Goizueta, top students will continue to pick Ross.

    Very true!
  • hsu0216hsu0216 Registered User Posts: 20 New Member
    Rjkofnovi, you don't have to be such a ****. It's true that top business firms hire more extensively from Ross, but there are plenty of opportunities available at Emory.

    http://www.career.emory.edu/students/pdf/ORGANIZATIONS.CURRENTLY.RECRUITING.EMORY.PDF

    If you look at the hiring statistics, yes Wharton students get 30ish hires to Goldman Sachs out of college a year, but Goizuetta tends to have a few each year as well. If you're a snobby reputation wh*re, firms are very willing and do hire from diverse universities. It's just a matter of how much you want it and how good you are at selling your talents.

    If you want a better view of the hiring statistics, look at the undergraduate profiles for the schools on businessweek. Some people may malign businessweek's rankings and I may find them questionable, but data doesn't lie.
  • InfinitInfinit Registered User Posts: 318 Member
    hsu0216, no one is denying Emory and Goizueta are great schools. Of course both Ross and Goizueta provide their students with plenty of opportunities. But if a person has gotten into both, and if they want to maximize their opportunities and don't care about "fit",then attending Ross would be preferable.

    Plus Ross has other advantages other than recruitment like the fact that nearly every department at the University of Michigan is rated in the top ten, combined with the fact that Ross will give you the opportunity to study more liberal arts courses over a longer period of time means that you'll get a more "well rounded" education.

    Though the fact that Emory is a much smaller school will appeal to some.
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