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NCP Doesn't Pay Court-Ordered Child Support - Zero Contract

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Replies to: NCP Doesn't Pay Court-Ordered Child Support - Zero Contract

  • CCtoAlaskaCCtoAlaska Registered User Posts: 583 Member
    Is there a list somewhere of FAFSA-only schools?
  • thumper1thumper1 Registered User Posts: 76,106 Senior Member
    @CCtoAlaska

    It would be a LOT easier to find the list of schools using the Profile. There are 3000 or so colleges in this country, and IIRC, about 400 use the Profile.

    UVA, University of Michigan, University of Virginia and Georgia Tech are the only public universities I can think of that use the Profile in addition to the FAFSA. The rest of the public universities are FAFSA only.

    https://www.nhheaf.org/pdfs/handouts/CSS_Profile_List_and_Assistance_Information.pdf

    Scroll down in this link and it gives a list for the current academic year. You do need to check any college website of interest because sometimes this outside info is not accurate or up to date.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 76,689 Senior Member
    CCtoAlaska wrote:
    Is there a list somewhere of FAFSA-only schools?

    There is a list of CSS Profile schools at https://profile.collegeboard.org/profile/ppi/participatingInstitutions.aspx (the list has a column indicating whether NCP information is needed).

    However, while the set of FAFSA-only schools is a very large subset of the complement of the set of CSS Profile schools, it is not the same, since some schools that do not use CSS Profile have their own supplemental forms (some of which require NCP information). In addition, the CSS Profile list linked above may be out of date or have some incorrect information.

    Check on the college's web site to be sure of what financial aid forms it needs.
  • TrendaLeighTrendaLeigh Registered User Posts: 81 Junior Member
    I am so glad that we have Florida options (we hope/think!), but her goal has always been to go out of state - partially because of the weather and partially because she’s bought into the idea that an Ivy or top 20 school is the path to success. 


    While I don’t necessarily agree with this perspective, I do want to educate myself enough to help steer her in the right direction - so thank you for the list and the info. I'm curious as to whether families who do not receive mandated support are typically granted waivers. I guess we'll have to wait and see. (As a mom, it’s hard to explain to her that she may not be able to attend a school because of a father she has seen once in ten years - sad on many fronts. I get the rationale, but it may be a bitter pill for a 16 year old.)

    Anyway, I don’t want to totally discourage her from trying for a OOS/top school, but I do want her to be realistic - not only about her chances of admission but also for a reasonable financial package. Now we know to factor this into the equation...

    And in terms of career, she’s not really sure what she wants to do. While she’s mentioned medical research and pre-med,, she truly doesn’t know yet (and it’s driving her crazy btw). I would love her to attend a school that can help her find her path - she really hasn’t had the opportunity to explore much.

    I think a large public university with a strong honors college might be a great match - Alabama is definitely an option if they continue their NMF aid package - SC seems.more of a financial reach. Surprisingly (at least to me), I really like what I've read about UCF's honor's college.

    Thanks again for all the great info. So many factors to consider. I think as long as she's with bright, motivated kids who care about school, she'll be fine.
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 76,689 Senior Member
    Chicago and Vanderbilt are the two highly selective private schools that do not normally require NCP information.

    Princeton does not require NCP information if the CP is remarried.
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 21,873 Senior Member
    In many cases, the NPC assumes two married parents...not a single parent.

    I can't remember a single NPC that didn't ask marital status, and all seemed to have the options of single (never married), divorced, widowed, married. Some things don't matter, like if you are looking for the simplified assets test, the under $50k is for the return, and it doesn't matter if it is for one parent, for two parents with both working, for one parent working but filing the return as married - it's under $50k. Having two parents gets an extra 'family member' for the count.

    I think there are NCP who do not pay their required child support but a waiver would not be granted because the NCP does have contact or there is a way to contact that parent. My brother had a lot of contact but paid no child support.

    Every school is going to have its own standards for granting the NCP waiver. Some might want proof that the CP/student made an attempt to contact the missing parent while others may have a period of time required for not seeing the NCP before granting a waiver (5 years? 10 years?). Discuss it with the schools.

    I don't see how a school like Alabama or UK would be a better choice for a florida resident than a Florida school on Bright Futures. If you want no loans, no gaps, the way to go is Bright Future/ Benacquisto full ride.

    Only you can decide if it is worth it to take loans or work in order to go out of state and avoid a Florida school.
  • CCtoAlaskaCCtoAlaska Registered User Posts: 583 Member
  • mom2collegekidsmom2collegekids Forum Champion Financial Aid, Forum Champion Alabama Posts: 84,905 Forum Champion
    Some colleges' NPCs do ask if the parents are divorced, and provide spaces to fill in NCP income and assets if they are.

    Interesting

    Which ones?
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus Registered User Posts: 76,689 Senior Member
    edited December 2018
    Re:#23

    Princeton and any school using the College Board template and requiring NCP information.
  • TrendaLeighTrendaLeigh Registered User Posts: 81 Junior Member
    I learned a bit more about the NCPs situation last night after talking to his brother. His brother, who is a responsible, reliable individual, indicated that he is sure the NCP (his brother) would NOT complete the FAFSA. He has lots of issues with back taxes, court cases, etc., although his "above the table" income is low. The brother also reminded me that the NCP has assets of at least $350,000 from the 1/3 of the house he inherited with his parents. The brother thought maybe the fact that it was in a trust might make a difference...?? There are also numerous court cases, law suits, etc. swirling around him. He also has several domestic disturbance calls, etc., although I'm not sure there if he was arrested. (I mention this because he's not the type of person you want to push - I've opted not to aggressively pursue child support because we live a sane, drama-free life, and I want to keep it that way.) It's a cluster.

    We actually don't know where he's currently living and have had no contact with him for years - but I could not truthfully tell the schools we couldn't find him.

    I realize every college is different, but does anyone have stats on the percentages of waiver requests that are granted? Or personal experience when the NCP does not have contact with the children and does not pay court-ordered child support?

    She has several great safety and match options in Florida, but wants to at least explore other options, knowing they have to work financially. If the chance of a waiver being granted is small, though, we'll likely limit our search to schools that don't require NCP info.

    @ucbalumnus and @thumper1, thanks for the list of CSS schools with NCP info.
  • thumper1thumper1 Registered User Posts: 76,106 Senior Member
    I learned a bit more about the NCPs situation last night after talking to his brother. His brother, who is a responsible, reliable individual, indicated that he is sure the NCP (his brother) would NOT complete the FAFSA

    I’m guessing this is a typo. Non-custodial parents do NOT ever complete the FAFSA, and their income and assets are not ON the student FAFSA.

    Non-custodial parents are required to submit the NCP Profile form at some colleges.
    He has lots of issues with back taxes, court cases, etc., although his "above the table" income is low. The brother also reminded me that the NCP has assets of at least $350,000 from the 1/3 of the house he inherited with his parents. The brother thought maybe the fact that it was in a trust might make a difference...?? There are also numerous court cases, law suits, etc. swirling around him

    None of these are the basis for a non-custodial parent waiver, in my opinion. BUT apply for NCP Profile waivers at the colleges that require them...and see what happens. You might get granted these waivers. Check with the schools for what they require to get this waiver...then request.

    But also have some options that do not require the NCP forms on your kid’s application list, as well as places where large merit is also possible as merit won’t be dependent on filing financial aid forms (unless specific awards have a need component).

  • TrendaLeighTrendaLeigh Registered User Posts: 81 Junior Member
    @thumper1, yes I meant the CSS. The info about his back taxes and other issues was to explain why he will likely refuse to complete CSS if we can locate him. The focus of our waiver would be that he has had zero contact for years and does not pay even court-ordered support.

    I am trying to get a sense of whether most schools would consider a waiver under these circumstances. I will contact a few of her wish list schools to see if I can get more insight beyond what’s stated on their website.

    We definitely have financial/academic safety schools. In learning more about the process, I am realizing she will likely need to go to an in-state public school, and I know that will be ok. However, because she has done everything she could to have more options, I don’t want to prematurely give up on the financial side until we have thoroughly explored all reasonable avenues.

  • blossomblossom Registered User Posts: 9,595 Senior Member
    Do you have documentation that your ex has not complied with court-ordered support? Your waiver is MUCH stronger when you've got a "I petitioned the court on XYZ date to garnish his wages" situation vs. "He owes me money" situation.

    I would also get a letter from a clergy person who knows your D (if there is such a person) to attest that she's had no contact with her dad since XYZ date. I think the colleges are leery of the "Her dad is a bum" scenario vs. "After years of a good faith effort to maintain contact with her father and to have him comply with visitation and financial support per the divorce decree, she has effectively been abandoned by him".

    Just a suggestion. A VERY high percentage of divorce situations involve "s/he doesn't want to pay his fair share", which if I read your description with my cynical hat on, is how it reads. Not saying that this is accurate- but it's certainly one way to read it.
  • TdoesCollegeTdoesCollege Registered User Posts: 98 Junior Member
    The brother thought maybe the fact that it was in a trust might make a difference...?

    Assets in a trust need to be reported on the FAFSA even if they're not available during the time window of college attendance. This has been an annoyance for me.
  • lookingforwardlookingforward Registered User Posts: 32,420 Senior Member
    edited February 25
    The fact he hasn't paid support is one point. The fact there's been no contact in 4-5 years is equally part of it. Not that you "could" find him if you made it a campaign or pressed relatives. You may not want to track him down and establish contact. That could blow the waiver.

    The Fafsa looks at the custodial parent. Not the AWOL parent's possible assets. OP doesn't need to report what her ex-husband has, may have, or what the BIL thinks. They're divorced. Even on the CSS, each parent reports for her/himself, in a divorce. The absent parent would use the NCP form.


    So I agree, contact a few colleges, or otherwise find their NCP waiver form, and see the sorts of questions asked. Some do require back-up letters (GC, social worker, clergy, it depends.) If support stopped and you discussed that with your attorney, maybe that attests. It's not that you had to have filed a lawsuit.

    edited to reflect ex, not "husband."
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