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FLVS? Will this count as two years of language?

kaitlynw2000kaitlynw2000 7 replies30 threads Junior Member
edited December 2016 in Florida Colleges
Hello! I'm a sophomore; I recently moved from New York to Florida. Because of the sudden, mid-year move, I was unable to finish my second year of foreign language.( I technically started Latin I in 8th grade and took Latin II in 9th, but I doubt colleges will count that as two years). My new school does not offer Latin, if I wanted two years of a language I'd have to take Spanish I in 11th, and Spanish II in 12th. FLVS offers a Latin III class, the one I would have taken in New York. So, my first question: WILL 8th and 9th grade of Latin count as two years foreign language? I'm not counting on it since Latin I was in 8th grade haha. If not, has anyone used FLVS before? How difficult is it? Did the credits transfer smoothly? And most importantly: will taking Latin II in 9th grade, and then taking Latin III online in 11th count as two SEQUENTIAL years of foreign language? (The college wording for the language requirement confused me, I'm not sure if they mean I have to take the language in 9th then 10th, or take LatinI, II, then III.) Thank you!
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  • skieuropeskieurope 42310 replies8428 threads Super Moderator
    So, my first question: WILL 8th and 9th grade of Latin count as two years foreign language?
    Yes.
    will taking Latin II in 9th grade, and then taking Latin III online in 11th count as two SEQUENTIAL years of foreign language?
    I don't know of any college that requires 3rd level to be taken immediately after the 2nd year (although from a learning perspective, it's preferable). If one exists, the GC can explain why it was not possible in your situation. But really, it's a non-issue
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  • CaucAsianDadCaucAsianDad 617 replies1 threads Member
    edited December 2016
    I also responded in your other thread but since this is directed more to FLVS Latin, I will respond here too.

    Yes, if you took Latin 1 in 8th and Latin 2 in 9th in NY then they should be on your transcript here in Florida. Check with your GC or request a copy of your transcript, you may have met your FL requirement.

    For FLVS Latin, I am relaying this from my D who took Latin 1 & 2 in-school then took Latin 3 through FLVS and is now in AP Latin in-school. She spoke to her Latin teacher and a friend who took Latin 1, 2 & 3 through FLVS and then AP Latin in-school in making her decision to take a FLVS Latin course.

    FLVS Latin is deemed "easy." Not blow off classes but well organized course plans with useful study aids that allow students to earn an A if they are willing to put in the work. Latin 3 was heavy translation; Caesar, poetry but also a lot of Virgil. My D found FLVS covered most of the Virgil she is now covering in in-school AP Latin. Even though she has a good teacher, she has to work much harder to get an A in-school due to being held to very high standards for grammar and vocabulary and the use of level V and VI questions from the National Latin Exam as the semester final. FLVS is more about keeping up with the work and putting in the effort. The student who took three years of Latin through FLVS is really struggling with in-school AP Latin due to a lack of a strong background in grammar and vocabulary.

    @kaitlynw2000 Since you plan to apply to UF, you need to be aware how UF handles admissions a little differently than other universities. Since they do not accept LORs there is not a traditional GC letter to explain your situation, but there is a place on the application for you to do it yourself. Also, you will not submit a transcript but will need to submit the SSAR (Student Self-Reported Academic Record). So at the start of your senior year you will need to request a transcript and then use the transcript to enter classes into the SSAR. Since you transferred from NY I suggest you request a copy of your transcript and get with your GC now to make sure you are tracking for UF. My suggestion is do not count on explaining any discrepancies on your app, use your junior and senior years to address the issues.

    You also said you have a lot of DE classes. Meet with your CG and tell her you want to go to UF. Listen to her advice and make sure you are tracking for UF. Also, you will need your CG sign-off to take FLVS classes, but the credits from FLVS will show up on your HS transcript.

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  • sybbie719sybbie719 21042 replies2070 threads Super Moderator

    FLVS offers a Latin III class, the one I would have taken in New York. So, my first question: WILL 8th and 9th grade of Latin count as two years foreign language? I'm not counting on it since Latin I was in 8th grade haha. If not, has anyone used FLVS before? How difficult is it? Did the credits transfer smoothly?

    When you transfer to high school in Florida, you will not receive transfer credit for courses that you were not given credit for when you were in high school in NYS. Unless you took and passed the NYS Latin Proficiency exam in 8th grade, you will not/cannot receive high school credit for foreign language in high school (you will not be eligible for credit in NYS, it will not show up on your NYS high school transcript as credit). This is the only way that NYS provides credit by exam and or accelerated credit for courses taken in middle school.
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  • sunnyschoolsunnyschool 1404 replies31 threads Senior Member
    My son loves FLVS Latin 1. He does not find it difficult at all, and the teacher is very nice. I'm sure Latin 3 is harder, but yes, it is well accepted by Florida public schools and universities. In fact, FL has a graduation requirement for public school students to take 1 online class. So, if you aren't already enrolled in another online course, taking Latin 3 this year makes a lot of sense. FLVS is very flexible...you can work ahead of pace if you want, or take part of the summer if you are pacing slower.

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  • sunnyschoolsunnyschool 1404 replies31 threads Senior Member
    Also, my understanding is you will need to sit down with the counselor and request credit for the classes done in NY. They may take the 8th grade Latin 1. This is because *many* students take HS classes in 8th grade (especially Algebra 1 and Language classes). In our county, the credit and the grade transferred (that was the risk to taking HS classes in 8th grade). Not sure if they take the grade for a transfer student from out of state, but they would likely give the credit (although I believe in my friend's case, her son got a B transferred from Algebra 1 in AZ, and it was annoying to them because it negatively impacted the GPA). I would try to look it up on your county Dept of Ed website first, so you know the process before talking to counselor, and know what is in your student's best interest.
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  • sybbie719sybbie719 21042 replies2070 threads Super Moderator
    They may take the 8th grade Latin 1. This is because *many* students take HS classes in 8th grade (especially Algebra 1 and Language classes). In our county, the credit and the grade transferred (that was the risk to taking HS classes in 8th grade).

    The only way that you can get accelerated credit in NYS (where OP originally attended school) is that you must also pass the associated regents exam (Algebra) or the Proficiency exam (Latin, Spanish) etc. while in middle school.

    NYSED 100.4, Part 4 section i

    To receive one unit of high school credit for languages other than English prior to grade 9, pursuant to section 100.2(d) of this Part, a student must take and pass the second language proficiency examination when available, or beginning in the 2010-2011 school year, successfully complete two units of study in a language other than English and pass a locally developed test, both of which are aligned to the checkpoint A learning standards for languages other than English, which has been approved for high school credit by the public school district superintendent or chief administrative officer of a registered charter or nonpublic high school.

    http://www.p12.nysed.gov/part100/pages/1004.html

    NYSED Part 100.4 section d 8th grade acceleration credit
    NYSED wrote:

    Credit may be awarded for an accelerated course only when at least one of the following conditions has been met:
    accelerated students attend classes in a high school with high school students and pass the course on the same basis as the high school students. Credit is awarded by the high school; or

    the student passes the course and the associated State proficiency examination or Regents examination, when available. The credit must be accepted as a transfer credit by all registered New York State high schools;[/b[ or
    in cases where no appropriate State assessment is available, the student passes a course in the middle, junior high or intermediate school that has been approved for high school credit by the public school district superintendent(s), or his or her designee(s), or the district(s) where the middle, junior high or intermediate school and the high school are located.

    Such opportunity shall be provided subject to the following conditions:

    The superintendent, or his or her designee, shall determine whether a student has demonstrated readiness in each subject in which he or she asks to begin high school courses in the eighth grade leading to a diploma.

    A student shall be awarded high school credit for such courses only if such student passes a Regents examination, a second language proficiency examination when available, or a career and technical education proficiency examination, or, if no such examinations are available, a locally developed examination that establishes student performance at a high school level as determined by the principal.

    http://www.p12.nysed.gov/part100/pages/1004.html

    If the student met the requirement, it would be the responsibility of the middle school to update the transcript along with providing the supporting documentation - regents exam or LOTE. The high school cannot provide credit for courses taken in middle school. However, they must accept the credit, if the course is coded as a high school course and there is proof (all regents grades are placed on the transcript) that the student passed the qualifying state exams.
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