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Post-graduate study in Europe?


Replies to: Post-graduate study in Europe?

  • vanessamavanessama Registered User Posts: 311 Junior Member
    But after your post-graduate study, don't you need to figure out the employment info in Europe? like getting a work-permit etc
  • naurunauru Registered User Posts: 1,158 Senior Member
    When I mentioned differences in expenses at postgrad level I was talking about masters programs. A Ph.D would be funded anyway, regardless of whether you are in the US or continental Europe. At Oxbridge and a few UK unis, they actually expect some people to pay to do their Ph.D. That seems a bit absurd to me, but I suppose some people are really determined to get certain brand names on their CVs (or their parents just happen to have lots of spare cash lying around). For those hoping for a Ph.D, there are lots of possibilities for full funding, including the perks. What a lot of Americans don't realize is that much of the most ground-breaking research in Europe is carried out in research institutes which are normally joint ventures of several universities. This is part of the reason European universities do not rank so well in research output, since the research conducted in these institutes (which are funded by the participating universities) does not count toward the university's individual output, as far as I know.

    Anyway, for an American going for a Ph.d who has never lived abroad independently for more than a year, the best idea is probably to stay in the US. For a person without substantial international experience the costs in terms of administrative and cross-cultural headaches, and would probably outweigh any additional educational benefits and economic savings.
  • DespSeekPhdDespSeekPhd Registered User Posts: 991 Member
    I've gotten lots of funded offers for master's programs in the US.
  • quicksilver40133quicksilver40133 - Posts: 281 Junior Member
    Bruno, out of curiosity, do you have any information to back that up? I would be interested in reading an unbiased report on the matter, personally. Furthermore, what constitutes a "deeper level" of understanding, as you use the term? More theoretical or more practical, or more or less rigorous? I have reason to believe that, generally, the opposite is more true, regarding undergraduate education.
  • bruno123bruno123 Registered User Posts: 1,390 Senior Member
    [Quicksilver] Basically more theoretical and far more advanced.

    Just to give you an example, the average engineering major in the US normally takes 3 semesters of calculus (including multivariable calculus), one semester of low-level applied linear algebra, one semester of elementary differential equations (mostly ODEs and perhaps a brief introduction to simple PDEs), and one semester of calculus-based probability and random variables with a brief introduction to random processes (perhaps discrete-valued Markov chains and basic Poisson processes). The really good students who enter college with several APs might, in a few really good schools like Caltech, MIT, or Harvard, take perhaps one course on introductory real analysis (basically calculus for real-valued functions of one real variable, but with a more theoretical perspective).

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