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  • didimosdidimos Registered User Posts: 33 Junior Member
    Hey I'm an Int. student. I have incredible extracurricular s a great SAT >2300, but I have a low GPA (3.0). Now with this stats I don't think I could get into Harvard but I have an exceptional Talent in writing and am planning on publishing my own thriller Fiction this summer or at the beginning of next year. As I've heard from most people my book excels every thriller book on paper right now in our country let alone books written by authors of my generation.

    But there's one problem, I'm graduating from high school this year and I can't transfer from a local college to Harvard next year (b/c of curriculum rules). I am planning to deffer a year from whichever college(local) takes me in to finish my book and do all the publication. Besides It will give me the chance to apply to Harvard and other top schools for freshmen year. So what I want to hear from you guys is what are my chances as an international student and also is it possible to do what i explained earlier in order to apply for freshmen year?
  • gibbygibby Registered User Posts: 10,750 Senior Member
    First off, you need to understand how things work in Admissions for International students. Although Harvard doesn't have quotas, they only accept about 160 to 200 International students per year (about 10% to 12% of the overall number of accepted students). So, your chances as an International student are much less than those for US students, as you are competing with thousands of brilliant students from Asia, Australia, Europe, the Middle East and South America for those 160 to 200 beds..

    Secondly, Harvard (and all selective colleges really) are academic institutions and look to accept students that are exceptional scholars in the classroom. Your high school transcript and the rigor of your course load comes first, and then everything else. Unless you are a recruited athlete with a national or international ranking in your sport, a 3 0 GPA is just going to be too low for Harvard, no mater how unique your extracurriculars or how high your SAT (sorry).

    You're welcome to send in an application and see what happens -- many International and domestic students do with your GPA and test scores -- but go through the SCEA and RD Accepted Student threads and try to find one kid that has similar stats to you. I doubt you will find anyone.
  • gibbygibby Registered User Posts: 10,750 Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    FWIW, See: http://www.hio.harvard.edu/abouthio/statistics/pdf/StudentsSchoolCountryRank13-14.pdf and pay attention to COLUMN 2 (College - which is the undergraduate school). How many students from your country are at Harvard? Those are totals, so divide by 4 to get an idea of how many freshman from each country have been admitted in the past.
  • didimosdidimos Registered User Posts: 33 Junior Member
    There aren't many admitted students from my country and that doesn't bother me at all. I really believe I am different. Besides See: http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT-ACT-Graphs/ss/harvard-admission-gpa-sat-act.htm

    You can clearly see the green and blue dots even under the 3.0 GPA margin line. As I have read these kind of students aren't even compared with the whole applicants they are simply compared with the students of remarkable talents, therefore have a great chance of getting accepted.I am talking about the whole holistic admission thing and how it benefits me more than any body.

    It even says ---don't give up hope of getting into Harvard if you don't have a 4.0 and a 2400 on the SAT. Harvard has holistic admissions, and they are looking for students who bring to campus more than good grades and test scores. Students who have some kind of remarkable talent or have a compelling story to tell will get a close look even if grades and test scores aren't quite up to the ideal.

    And as of the competition between my fellow international students I don't think they have published a thriller novel with great reviews so far. So don't you think I am more competitive than them?

    Who do you think will get admitted to Harvard the Asian with amazing ECs, perfect SATs a 4.0 GPA or the student whose country is extremely underrepresented at Harvard plus with incredible ECs, great SATs,a 3.0 GPA, but above all a critically admired published author from an unexpected developing country.
  • gibbygibby Registered User Posts: 10,750 Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    You missed my other point; STOP HIJACKING other people's threads with your questions and start your own thread.
  • gibbygibby Registered User Posts: 10,750 Senior Member
    SCEA is not supposed to provide any advantage in admissions

    When Harvard went back to SCEA, their early admit rate was pretty comparable to YPS -- and it was easy to accept their explanation that your chances in the SCEA round were no different than the RD round.

    However, last year Harvard took more than half their class (895 students) early -- that's 246 more students than Yale took SCEA, 198 more students than Princeton took SCEA and 170 more students than Stanford took SCEA.

    By taking so many more applicants in the SCEA round than their peers -- both in sheer numbers and percentage wise -- Harvard is letting student's know that if you really want Harvard, your chances are better by applying in the early round.

    Class of 2018 SCEA Acceptance Rates:
    Stanford = 10.77%
    Yale = 15.47%
    Princeton = 18.53%
    Harvard = 21.24%.
  • gibbygibby Registered User Posts: 10,750 Senior Member
    Holistic means that your acceptance is based upon other factors besides just test scores.

    Colleges uses test scores to gauge if you can do the work on their campus. The higher your scores, the less an Admissions Director will question how you would do if admitted. At the ivies, once your test scores are used to calculate the Academic Index (http://www.collegeconfidential.com/academic_index.htm), other more subjective factors come into play, such as your transcript rigor, GPA, teacher recommendations, EC's and essays.

    Look at this recent survey of Harvard Freshman: http://features.thecrimson.com/2013/frosh-survey/admissions.html
    The average self-reported unweighted GPA on a 4.0 scale was 3.94. Fifty-four percent of students reported a perfect 4.0, and the lowest score reported was a 3.0.

    Freshmen reported an average composite SAT score of 2237. The reported average subject score was consistent across the three sections, with an average of 748 in the math section, 746 on writing, and 744 on critical reading.

    I like the scattergram as it nicely highlights how more than half the class had an unweighted 4.0 GPA at their high school regardless of test scores. To me that implies that Harvard (and thereby YP et al) put more weight -- or slightly more weight, however you want to read the data -- on a student’s unweighted GPA at their high school rather than test scores.

    So, rather than worry about your test scores, be more concerned about your GPA, teacher recommendations and essays!!!
  • lemons4lifelemons4life Registered User Posts: 31 Junior Member
    What is the lowest SAT/ACT score Harvard would probably take?
  • gibbygibby Registered User Posts: 10,750 Senior Member
    ^^ If you look at the scattergram, there are quite a few test scores below 2000, even as low as 1680. I would imagine those students with low test scores must have had something that Harvard really admired and wanted, such as an extraordinary talent, or perhaps they were a legacy or developmental cases (big $$$ donors.)
  • gibbygibby Registered User Posts: 10,750 Senior Member
    In total, one out of every 20 Harvard freshmen attended one of the seven high schools most represented in the class of 2017—Boston Latin, Phillips Academy in Andover, Stuyvesant High School, Noble and Greenough School, Phillips Exeter Academy, Trinity School in New York City, and Lexington High School.
  • gibbygibby Registered User Posts: 10,750 Senior Member
    Harvard re-did their websites about 6 months ago, but a quick google search turned up this website which will supply you with the same data: http://www.hio.harvard.edu/statistics
  • LexieALexieA Registered User Posts: 63 Junior Member
    edited October 2014
    Im an international student in my second last year of high school (same as junior year in the States). My academic track record has been great so far (A's but mostly A+'s) , however I have not been doing very many extra-curricular activities so far in high school. I am a member of the school choir and I have volunteered at a charity art exhibition and volunteer at charity fairs. I also volunteered at a special needs school for a week. I am thinking of either doing neuroscience or medicine. My questions are:
    1) Is it too late to start doing more extra-curriculars?
    2) If I do extra-curriculars starting from now, is it too late for me to realistically think about Harvard because even if I start now, will I not be considered competitive enough cause I haven't been doing many of them/doing them for a long time?
    3) Does Harvard prefer to see all-rounders (a person who does extra-curriculars in all kinds of fields like: art, music, drama even if their chosen field of study is not related to them?) or do they prefer applicants who have extra-curriculars that are more focused on their chosen field of study?
    4) Any tips on what kind of extra-curriculars I could do (thinking of applying for medicine/neuroscience)? Any tips on how many should be done ideally?
    5) Do I need to take SAT subject tests? Some say its not compulsory, is that true?
  • gibbygibby Registered User Posts: 10,750 Senior Member
    edited October 2014
    @LexieA: You must have missed my earlier post about "highjacking a thread." Please stop it! Start your own thread with your questions. Here, let me help you. Go to: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university. On the left hand side of the page is a BIG ORANGE BOX that says "New Discussion." Press that button and create your own thread!
  • LexieALexieA Registered User Posts: 63 Junior Member
    @gibby- just did that, thanks
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