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To All Cross Admits between Harvard and Yale

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Replies to: To All Cross Admits between Harvard and Yale

  • raven001raven001 Registered User Posts: 877 Member
    Re: the admissions offices

    No question, I enjoyed my visit to the Yale admissions office more than the my visit to Harvard's. Yale completely rolled out the red carpet for me - when they found out I was an admitted student (as opposed to one of the legions of juniors visiting in the spring), I was whisked to the "Admitted Students Room," with plenty of snacks. While I was there, several admissions officers made it a point to come chat with me, and everyone was extremely hospitable.

    By comparison, the Harvard admissions office was comparably uneventful, and certainly not nearly as "warm". No special rooms, no personal "we want YOU" speeches, no free food....

    In the end, though, Harvard's yield will be ~80% and Yale's will be ~70% -- so who are we to judge which school has a "better" admissions staff?

    And, if I have my way, I never intend to step foot in either office again...!
    Point being, judge the school, not the admissions office :)
  • An0nym0u5An0nym0u5 Registered User Posts: 1,661 Senior Member
    its a shame though that harvards admissions staff can get away with being arrogant.
  • raven001raven001 Registered User Posts: 877 Member
    What you consider to be "arrogance," Harvard's admissions staff likely sees as "common sense." After all, if their acceptance rates are going DOWN and their yield is going UP, why would it make sense for them to invest precious time and money in a revamped, more welcoming admissions setup?

    Maybe they've instead opted to spend those resources elsewhere (e.g. directed mailing, online resources, etc.), ways that they've possibly found to be more effective? That's what I mean when I said: "who are we to judge which school has a 'better' admissions staff?" -- we don't know the whole picture, or even a sizable chunk of it!
  • An0nym0u5An0nym0u5 Registered User Posts: 1,661 Senior Member
    lol their directed mailing was never flattering, and their website is unimpressive.

    i know they can get away with it, obviously. its just a shame that they dont have to put more effort into it.
  • raven001raven001 Registered User Posts: 877 Member
    its just a shame that they dont have to put more effort into it.
    Would you mind explaining this?

    Anyways, you're completely missing my point. Harvard has obviously opted NOT to spend as much time/resources maintaining a "welcoming" admissions office, complete with an admitted students room, snacks, admissions officers "there to chat," etc. Maybe it's because they're instead opted to invest their budget into financial aid ($84.6 million, the largest in the ivy league). Or maybe they've instead chosen to focus resources on the upcoming Allston expansion (which may completely change the undergraduate experience)... or... or... or...

    It's all a question of priorities. I'm still at a loss why it's "a shame" that Havard doesn't prioritize the creation of a "warm and cozy" admissions office when it's obviously not hurting them any!
  • raven001raven001 Registered User Posts: 877 Member
    An addendum:
    lol their directed mailing was never flattering, and their website is unimpressive.

    Unless you were recruited for whatever reason, I doubt you've recieved the "directed mailing" which I'm referring to (office of minority affairs, HFIA, etc.). The mailing are irrelevent, however, as they were just a random example I used to illustrate my point (for the record, I wasn't recruited either, so I'm not speaking from any personal experience). Also, the website for admitted students was great (I liked the message board and the "Ask an Admissions Officer" forum). Don't be so hasty to generalize.
  • An0nym0u5An0nym0u5 Registered User Posts: 1,661 Senior Member
    i cant imagine it costs as much to have a friendly admissions office as it does to build a new building. its not as if harvard doesnt spend money on seemingly less important events and things.

    obviously, harvard doesnt NEED to, because the students will come merely because its HARVARD. when i say its a shame that they dont hafta put more effort into it, its the same way as wishing that politics could be cleaner and more honest, and that people in general were more honest. sure, from a purely functional standpoint there would be no purpose in putting money into the admissions office. however the social benefits of improving the atmosphere of this part of harvard would be nice to have.
  • DonemomDonemom Registered User Posts: 890 Member
    I have to say that when my son and I visited Harvard, we found the admissions staff and guides to be helpful, low key, down to earth and decidedly unpretentious. As it happened, at the Yale visit, we were extremely unimpressed with the admissions person who conducted the information session (he was new, as I recall), and I think others felt this way as well, as a bunch walked out before it was over. However, I think it would be foolish to let these impressions strongly impact the decision about where to apply/attend.
  • conwomanconwoman Registered User Posts: 353 Member
    When I visited Harvard, it was a very hot Summer day. Parents and kids were stuffed in a small waiting area. The admission person was 20 min late, then they put everybody in a small auditorium that couldn't acommodate everybody, so ppl were standing and sitting on a floor. Overall it created quite a bad impression, especially comparing to MIT we visited same day.
  • ByerlyByerly - Posts: 7,019 Senior Member
    Obviously, the nearly 23,000 applicants (and even more visitors) taxed resources that are the same size they were when there were less than half as many applicants.
  • An0nym0u5An0nym0u5 Registered User Posts: 1,661 Senior Member
    Yes and maybe it would be nice if they could expand the office.
  • just_forget_mejust_forget_me Registered User Posts: 2,244 Senior Member
    raven001-Not that it matters, but you should have met with your regional rep @ harvard after you were accepted. I did that (right before prefrosh) and it was wonderfully personal. There weren't free snacks (but I did get coffee and a course catalog).
  • philntexphilntex Registered User Posts: 3,186 Senior Member
    I, for one, was definitely more impressed with Harvard admissions than Yale's. The directed mailings were very nice (I received 4, including 2 apps, haha), while it took me a while to even get a Yale application. I would have chosen Yale over Harvard had I applied and got in to both, but I did enjoy Harvard reaching out more.
  • conwomanconwoman Registered User Posts: 353 Member
    I don't know about Harvard reps, but my Yale rep first sent me a handwritten letter, than called me and arranged a meeting with him during the Buldog days. Columbia went even further: their rep arranged a dinner with a few faculty members including the dean of admission.
  • suburbiansuburbian Registered User Posts: 1,329 Senior Member
    I never visited the Harvard admissions office before I was accepted, so I can't really compare the experiences there. But I agree that the contact after admission was much better with Yale than with Harvard. However, I won't be dealing with admissions officers for the next four years. I'll be talking to professors and other students, and as someone else posted before, I was extremely surprised at how friendly and low-key the Harvard students were when I visited.
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