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A's on the rise in U.S. report cards, but SATs flounder

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  • sunnyschoolsunnyschool Registered User Posts: 1,057 Senior Member
    Right but weighted grades are different everywhere. 6.0 at some schools; but 4.3 is highest at others.
    If students took advanced classes because they want the challenge in the areas they are interested in, then colleges would see the students without that GPA-grubbing incentive. Perhaps schools could use a "Rigor Rater" such as a footnote on transcript (just an idea):

    What level of rigor did this student take:
    1- Honors/AP level courses in every subject
    2- Honors/AP levels courses in 2-3 core academic subjects
    3 - Just a few Honors/AP classes
    4 - No Honors/AP but all college-bound level academic courses
    5 - Half or more basic skills classes

    FYI, some of the top prep schools in the US do not weight grades. But, all students there had to meet high admission standards.
  • itsgettingreal17itsgettingreal17 Registered User Posts: 3,479 Senior Member
    UT lowered its auto admit requirement because of population growth. It’s just getting more competitive, and isn’t leaving more room for holistic admits.

    In any event, UT isn’t the end all be all. It’s an excellent school but there are other great options in Texas. High school shouldn’t feel like a hell hole. It didn’t for my D and she went to a competitive high school. Choose to play the game or don’t. No need to kill yourself trying to gain top rank if you get stressed out by the workload.
  • collegemomjamcollegemomjam Registered User Posts: 1,559 Senior Member
    So many great points have been raised on this thread and I wish there was a solution to them all.

    As for the situation in Texas and other states that have the automatic admission to the top X% kids at their respective high schools, I think they created a bigger problem by doing this. While I do think that a student in a lower socio-economic school system should be cut a little slack for not having the same opportunities as a student from the more affluent communities (and therefore only compared to the students in their school), they certainly have to figure out a way to not shun these top kids that want a fair chance of admission at their state's flagship, which might be their dream school.

    @NoPlay so if you aren't top 6% do you at least still have a shot at an unreserved spot at UT where they will take into consideration your scores, EC's and just the overall competitiveness of your high school?

    @sunnyschool I feel like in NJ, because we are a small state, some of the colleges do recognize the kids that are coming from the more competitive schools...for example, Millburn HS. However, I do still think that it's a little harder for these kids even with that extra consideration because so many of the kids are competing for spots at the same schools and the colleges in the end might have to rely more on the objective measurements of GPA to differentiate...I think this is definitely the case for the local schools like Lehigh and Bucknell that are strong...and then of course there are the Ivies, the small LAC's (which can be harder than the Ivies), Georgetown, Tufts, Hopkins, basically all of the top schools in the north east because so many top kids are trying to get into these same schools. They can't accept so many kids from the same high schools...they may accept more kids from the top high schools, but they still probably can't take everyone that has the stats. This is unfortunate and makes me feel bad for these hard workers that may not end up at one of their top choices (and in my opinion, this justifies having a long list of schools so that you can increase your chances of getting in the type of school you are hoping for!).

    This is a very difficult problem to solve as they try to be as fair as possible to all of the parties involved.
  • collegemomjamcollegemomjam Registered User Posts: 1,559 Senior Member
    A few years ago a good friend of mine who lives in one of these top school districts in NJ told me that her daughter's guidance counselor told her that that particular year they had something like 100 kids apply to Northeastern. Many kids applied as their "safety" or more likely school. They got CLOBBERED that year by Northeastern. So many kids that didn't get in were shocked. (Northeastern has been on the rise, with good reason, but it was still a shocker and an acceptance no one should ever take fro granted!).
  • Seniorstudent01Seniorstudent01 Registered User Posts: 21 Junior Member
    Im sorry but I do not believe that one standardized test should label a student. If you got a bad SAT score that does not mean that you are not a smart individual. The problem now a days is that students are not being taught the curriculum according to SAT standards. That is why smart and brilliant students are not doing so well on their SATs.
  • Seniorstudent01Seniorstudent01 Registered User Posts: 21 Junior Member
    They are great test takers in high school because of the school. Not the student
  • CheeringsectionCheeringsection Registered User Posts: 2,177 Senior Member
    @ekdad212 class rank only compares students within a learning environment. It does nothing to compare students in different learning environments. For example, the top 25% of DS16’s class all had ACT/SAT scores in the top 5% of test takers nationwide. The kid that was 25th in his class would have been higher ranked in the class behind them simply because the class overall had a lower average GPA.
  • awilson9awilson9 Registered User Posts: 53 Junior Member
    I see this problem at my high school. Tons of students in my class have a 4.0 unweighted GPA, and they're also in the most advanced classes at my school. I know the problem with this is cheating (ha). We have block scheduling, so if one class takes the test one day, and the other class the next, they're able to communicate about the test (the teachers aren't changing tests for different classes ??). In some classes, students have their lunch halfway through class; therefore, allowing cheating at lunch. I've witnessed kids blatantly using their phones, etc. I lost my 4.0 this year because I didn't cheat my way through ap calc. Most of everyone else did, and it's kind of a bummer that they get a higher grade that they don't deserve. I didn't deserve an A in calc (had no idea what I was doing), but I also didn't deserve to be subjected to curves of tests that tons of people cheated on. However, I did better than all of them on the SAT (lol), I only got a 1400 but it's still an achievement for me. They were upset about their scores (probably 97% not cracking even 1300), and I didn't know how to tell them it was their own fault. Along with grade inflation, cheating is a huge problem which leads to higher GPAs and lower SAT scores.
  • theakjohnsontheakjohnson Registered User Posts: 65 Junior Member
    edited August 21
    After extensive study of the topic with students in the Harvard restrooms, I have come to this shocking conclusion:

    Three hours of testing is a worthless yardstick compared to a year of study.

    Let's hope CollegeBoard doesn't find out about our conclusion, though. Does it sound solid enough?
  • R. CatfishR. Catfish Registered User Posts: 8 New Member
    It's quizlet and crap. They have it on their phones, tablets, laptops and other stuff. It's easy to get and A if you already know the answers. Meanwhile, the actual smart kids are getting lost in the crowd of 110 IQ fakers.
  • R. CatfishR. Catfish Registered User Posts: 8 New Member
    @JenJenJenJen yeah, one of my teachers was getting too many pissed off parents, so she stopped taking the correct amount of points off and started taking off a point for each question wrong. ??????
  • JenJenJenJenJenJenJenJen Registered User Posts: 1,114 Senior Member
    Wow, @R. Catfish you responded to a comment I made in July, 2017; well over a year ago! Thanks, I guess, for reviving an old thread and getting me to sign back on to this site....Unless, as your user name suggests, I've been catfished. ;)
  • R. CatfishR. Catfish Registered User Posts: 8 New Member
    It stands for Raphael Catfish, a kind of aquarium armored catfish. I have one and wanted to see if anyone would get the reference. I'm new to this site and was just cruising. Often, it's worth reviving old threads because the people who used to write on them have probably learned something new they'd like to share since that time.
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