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When should I graduate dual enrolled kid?


Replies to: When should I graduate dual enrolled kid?

  • CCtoAlaskaCCtoAlaska Registered User Posts: 583 Member
    Honestly, she is just not in the same category as your son. I think it's highly unlikely she will actually complete a graduate degree in physics, let alone at a top institution (does anyone at CC ever consider that not everyone is trying to get into the best programs??). She loves it but she is not as advanced a math student. She tested into precalc at the CC and is taking Calc 1 and Discrete Math this first semester. I guess she could get through all those classes by the time she graduates if she takes some more advanced classes at one of the local 4 year colleges - she was talking about that option today. But I don't know that she's that ambitious. She didn't leave HS early because she was acing her math classes and needed more challenge. Part of the reason she left her HS was because, as a B student, further classes in Physics were cut off to her and she was not advanced enough to take Calc as a senior and she just really wanted to study those, especially calculus-based Physics. For her, a four year pathway would make sense because I think, no matter what, she is unlikely to get into a top undergrad or top grad program in what she wants to study - just too competitive. I think she just wants to know what her options are for applying to different programs. She will apply to some strategic ones like the REU that is looking for CC students that kind of thing. But she will likely end up in a lower-ranked university to finish her BA. I kind if wonder how easy it will be to find pure math outside of the elite schools or if the non-elite schools don't offer enough of it.
  • Mom2aphysicsgeekMom2aphysicsgeek Registered User Posts: 4,338 Senior Member
    edited November 2018
    Students are considered freshman for college applications as long as they have not taken any college courses after high school graduation. Courses taken after graduation make students transfer students.

    Based on your description above, it is doubtful she would be competitive for an REU this summer. REUs are competitive and are typically aimed toward sophomores and juniors. She would need to apply this winter. Deadlines are usually shortly after classes resume for spring semester. These are helpful for understanding REUs. https://astrobites.org/2011/06/14/its-reu-season-heres-how-to-make-the-most-of-it/
  • CCtoAlaskaCCtoAlaska Registered User Posts: 583 Member
    Thanks, very helpful. What I have been told by every school but one (they were not sure) is she would be considered a freshman for financial aid purposes, not for course transfer/dual admissions purposes. Does that make sense? I'm not sure why it's like that. But she's unlikely to be eligible for any merit aid so saving two years of tuition makes more sense than thinking there will be a lot of merit aid down the pike. From looking at calculators, I am guessing she will be on the hook for 35-40K at a 4 year university so reducing that by half cuts down a lot on tuition. Not a lot of people can afford to pay a whole extra 2 years of tuition to pad the resume. She won't be able to, in any case. I used to work in college access and financial aid for kids like her is bleak.
  • Mom2aphysicsgeekMom2aphysicsgeek Registered User Posts: 4,338 Senior Member
    I still don't see any advantage to graduating her. If she is just going to stay at the CC for 2 yrs anyway, what are the positives to graduating her a yr before she would transfer? She should be able to apply as a trasfer student if she has her AS if that would be better for her. Most students don't want to apply as transfer students.

    Also, look into age requirements for any REUss they are encouraging. I have not heard of any REUs targeted toward freshman, so I know nothing about those. But programs like these require students to be 18. https://science.energy.gov/wdts/cci/eligibility/
  • CCtoAlaskaCCtoAlaska Registered User Posts: 583 Member
    I can't really see any either except that the counselor at the CC suggested it and other people have had the same opinion. I think they see it as being a disadvantage in the transfer process and that it will cost her money in the long term if a school will only accept her as a freshman based on when she got her diploma (earning it at the same time as her AS). Her guaranteed transfer schools (ie. dual admissions) have not said that. I think it's more the concern with casting a wider net and having to start all over again and pay for two additional years if her classes are not accepted for transfer everywhere she wants to go. I can understand the concern especially because she is not a candidate for merit aid.

    The department head who recommended the REUs knew her age. Some of the REUs she was sent require 18 and specify that, some not. She'll see as she goes. She's excited about applying and her school is very supportive so I think she should just go with it. I am going to encourage her to apply for everything the college suggests to her. If anything she will get a sense of how it all works.
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 19,926 Senior Member
    Most counselors, high school or college, do not know as much as you do about your family finances, about NCAA rules, even about what the other colleges will accept or not. They don't know if freshmen are required to live in the dorms even if they have 60+ transfer credits, or if that freshman gets to register with the juniors for classes.

    The only benefit I can see is that if she graduates now, any college credits MIGHT be accepted at a few schools that do not accept AP or DE credits. Some other schools might accept them whether they are DE or taken after hs graduation. That's a risk. What are the cons of graduating now? Costs more for the CC classes, she probable won't be a freshman but a transfer student so will lose 'freshman' scholarships or need based aid, will be admitted off CC grades and not hs.

    The biggest down side to me is that she could not go back to hs. Right now, before she has a semester of college in, she could.
  • shuttlebusshuttlebus Registered User Posts: 381 Member
    Some schools state that they explicitLy will not transfer credits earned for both HS and college credit. MIT and St. Joe's are ones that have indicated this..
    Many colleges will accept the credits earned from community college classes while still a high school student provided the high school transcript specifies that those classes were not used to satisfy high school requirements. As a homeschooler, you will be in charge of creating your child's transcript and will be able to determine which, if any, classes taken at the community college satisfy your high school graduation requirements and which classes taken at the community college are not counted towards high school graduation requirements.

    Since the costs of the classes are less for a high school student than a college student, I am not sure there would be any advantages to graduating your daughter early. Keep her dual-enrolled as a high school student and make sure her transcript indicates which community college classes were not used to fulfill high school graduation requirements.
  • milgymfammilgymfam Registered User Posts: 255 Junior Member
    The Cooke transfer scholarship is ridiculously competitive, so giving up the opportunity for freshman aid to compete for something like that makes no sense imo. She can do college research when she hits a four year after graduating high school with her AS. I’m not seeing any big downsides to staying on the regular grad schedule personally. We homeschool and do DE too- my daughter stopped DE 4 classes shy of graduating because she wanted to go to a semester school this semester (she’s a senior), but in our case none of the schools she wants to attend would accept CC credits anyway.
  • Mom2aphysicsgeekMom2aphysicsgeek Registered User Posts: 4,338 Senior Member
    @CCtoAlaska You are putting way too much faith in your CC to know what is best for your Dd. The only upside you are stating is that she can apply for an REU that is far from a given. She will be competing for spots with students from all over the country, many of them with 4.0 GPAs and more coursework completed. I would ask them for information about students from her CC who have been successfully accepted to the REUs and ask questions about their CVs (GPA, courses completed, projects completed, etc)

    Unless they can demonstrate that your Dd is truly a viable competitive candidate, I would reconsider. You will be making a decision she cannot turn back from.
  • CCtoAlaskaCCtoAlaska Registered User Posts: 583 Member
    I actually would have had her drop out but she wasn't old enough because of the compulsory school laws in our state. That is what most of the students from her select HS have done when they want to start college early (the HS does not accept any college credits for HS credit - there are even situation I have heard where the students are forced to take college math in the summer and then they have to take the class again at the HS - for IB eligibility). She's only registered as a homeschooler because she has to be per state law. I think it's really only an advantage if she's applying to selective colleges and she will likely just transfer into a low-cost school that has a partnership with her school. She will likely apply to one or two selective colleges but I think she's planning on taking the more direct (and cheaper) route to a BA.

    @Mom2aphysicsgeek I was not putting any faith in the CC. That's why I am "fact-checking" here just to make sure there is nothing I am missing. Everyone has made great points.
  • MusakParentMusakParent Registered User Posts: 735 Member
    I haven't read all responses but I live in a state where dual enroll is free for qualified high schoolers. Graduating high school with 2 years worth of college credits is common here and those students still matriculate in the vast majority of cases as freshman. Whether or not all the credits will transfer and be applied toward earning a degree is another question. Depends on school. Depends on degree. So you really do need to check in with each school to piece that together.

    My senior is doing his 2nd year of DE currently. I had no interest in launching my kid to a dorm early and he had no interest in adulting early either. He is very excited to be applying to colleges now.
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