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Which country would I be considered to be from?

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Replies to: Which country would I be considered to be from?

  • Ana1Ana1 Registered User Posts: 420 Member
    How are you going to compare a "third culture" US expat attending a HS in Japan with the Japanese students? You presume that the students had lived in the same country for years and share similar traits as their local classmates. But most third culture kids have lived in many countries. My niece has lived in 9 countries since she was born. She shared nothing in common with her classmates and has been in her high school for less than three years and quite a few of her US expats classmates had similar experiences. This was also the first time the family lived in that continent. Everything depends on the individual college and the internal schemes. Even for inside the US, some colleges have different RCs in a state depending on whether the student goes to a public or a private school in the state, and other RC have responsibility for the urban enters in the state and others for the rural.

    Does Lehigh or Brynmawr state that they are compared to their high school classmates? No. Brynmawr states that the living overseas experience may be referenced by the student and Lehigh also states that they are evaluated by a senior international expert officer.Neither state that they are judged by HS attended, as Stanford explicitly states. The MIT example clearly refutes your point. Otherwise, based on your argument, a Chinese expat attending a HS in LA would be judged with the HS classmates but MIT states that they do not. Or a US citizen who lived in the USA all his life and is now in Germany as a Congress-Bundestag Scholar, since he attends a German HS during the year he is applying for admission then he should be compared with all his German classmates, even though he has been in Germany for less than 6 months. All schools accept X numbers of internationals per country, and X number of domestics per HS and state. US expats are just considered as residents of the 51st state, the expat pool. It is similar to the homeschoolers. Based on what HS are you going to evaluate homeschoolers? How are you going to evaluate an army brat?

    Schools that evaluate everyone by HS do state that in the website. Tufts for example says that:
    "’m a U.S. citizen living abroad. Am I considered an international student? We read applications based on where you currently attend school, rather than by your citizenship status."

    The admission evaluation has nothing to do with their classification for US federal financial aid eligibility. Admissions offices state that they are not considered internationals for admissions purposes and do not specify that this is only for FA aid, as many colleges have different admissions application requirements for internationals (I am not talking about FA.) Do not forget that many students do not apply for financial aid. US expats are evaluated on their own and then listed in the class profile as being from the US state their parents or themselves last lived and are eligible to vote.

    Look how in Quinipiaq for example on the ad coms, the description for one of the officers:
    "Andrew J. Antone, director of international recruitment and admissions, travels, recruits, interviews and helps support our international students at Quinnipiac. He also reviews the files of U.S. citizens living abroad."

    Similarly at Manhattanville:
    "Freshman or transfer applicants from the list below:

    International
    Puerto Rico
    Virgin Islands
    Guam
    US citizens living abroad
    Armed Forces (APO)"

    It clearly differentiates among the two groups.

    A Chinese citizen living in the US for 2 years will have similar upbringing with any other Chinese resident as they were brought up in the same culture and shared similar experiences. Just because they lived in the USA for 2 years it does not mean they suddenly have more similarities and life experiences with a US born student than a Chinese student who continuous to live in China. If our life experiences changed so fast, then all the one year cultural exchange programs will have monumentous influence and instantenuous assimilation in the country they lived for a mere year.
  • Ana1Ana1 Registered User Posts: 420 Member
    @b@r!um

    "that's because not every admissions officer is trained to interpret grades and letters of recommendation from every country."

    It is not required that ad coms know how to evaluate foreign credentials. There are agencies for that. Many colleges require from international students to submit transcript evaluation reports by any NACES member agencies while others want from their specific preferred provider. These are experienced companies that they deal with such evaluations. They compare the courses on the transcript course by course and produce reports about the individual transcript. It is very similar on how international health insurance companies hire agent companies to convert medical codes and customary medical charges and expenses for a medical treatment in each country.
  • b@r!umb@r!um Registered User Posts: 10,171 Senior Member
    Why are you taking all of our comments out of context? Nobody ever said that someone who attended a German high school for half a year before applying to college will be compared against German students and German students only.

    What we all meant (and I think I do speak for all of us) is that educational credentials need to be evaluated in their proper context. German grades need to be compared to German grades, Japanese grades to Japanese grades. The same goes for letters of recommendations. (E.g. a German "very good" would translate to an American "excellent", and a German "sufficient" means "above average.") Even ECs need to be interpreted against a cultural background of what's available. (For example, if a competitive American athlete moves to Germany and stops playing high school sport it's not that he lost interest in his sport; it simply reflects that there's no such thing as high school sport in Germany.)

    It is not required that ad coms know how to evaluate foreign credentials. There are agencies for that. Many colleges require from international students to submit transcript evaluation reports by any NACES member agencies while others want from their specific preferred provider.
    Many? Some maybe. I have only personally encountered a handful of universities requiring external evaluations - mostly colleges with a very small international student population. None of the universities frequently discussed on CC require an evaluation, for instance. Your observation does not appear relevant to this discussion.
    Brynmawr states that the living overseas experience may be referenced by the student
    Nope. That sentence means, "domestic students living abroad should reference the admissions page for international students as it applies to their own situation." For example, American students attending non-US style high schools need to submit a supplement to the school report.
  • Ana1Ana1 Registered User Posts: 420 Member
    @b@r!um,
    It is very elitist attitude to claim about CC that only the top colleges are discussed here. At the international students pages, by non US citizens, yes they do discuss primarily for the top 150 US colleges. However, there is a great variety of schools discussed in CC, especially in the parents threads that encompass all levels and may indeed have a small number of international applicants. When posters here claim that each applicant is compared based on the HS he/she attends, then based on that logic would not a US citizen attending a foreign HS during his senior year be compared in context of the HS? I brought the German exchange program as an example of that fallacy. One can not have it both ways. Either the student is compared with the HS classmates or not. When does the statute of limitations run out? 1 year, 2 years? A claim was made that a Chinese citizen attending a US HS for two years has more in common with the US population than his fellow Chinese students in Shanghai, something that I find incredulous. Posters here explicitly stated that a US citizen attending a Japanese HS will be judged with the Japanese classmates. "An American going to school in Japan is not going to be compared with a student from Madison, WI. He/she is going to read in context with students from Japan. It wouldn't matter if that student is a local, expat, or a local with American citizenship...Your application is read in context of where you went to high school. You are compared to students from your HS, region, state, country."
    Borum, yourself you stated "I also cannot imagine that any college would try to evaluate an application from a foreign school in an American context: there is just no way to do it. What exactly does a 1.5 GPA from a Bavarian high school mean? The only way to tell is to compare that to the performance of other Bavarian students." However, I showed you that many, (yes many because there are 4000 US colleges, so 150 colleges is a drop in the bucket), schools require the school transcript evaluated by NACES affiliates. How do you know that even top schools do not use consultants to evaluate foreign transcripts? They do use them after all for yield management and self-improvement. I think the problem here is that there is a presumption that the US citizen has been going to the same overseas HS for years, but most third culture kids have been living a mobility life going from country to country based on where their parents are assigned and the usual tour of duty is 2 years per post. Also, not all of them go to an American curriculum school because these schools do not exist in every single country.
  • oldfortoldfort Registered User Posts: 21,028 Senior Member
    Ana1 - what are you talking about? Just try to use some common sense and logic here, it is not that hard to figure this whole thing out. You are beating a dead horse.
  • Ana1Ana1 Registered User Posts: 420 Member
    Yes it is simple logic. "Third culture" kids can not be compared to their classmates in high school they are attending while applying. They are also in the same wagon as students attending a foreign HS for 1-2 years through one of the various exchange programs. My child had a student from Brazil, Egypt, and China who were there just for one year, during their senior year and had all applied to US colleges. Are we to assume that these students would be compared to the other US students in that HS just because they happened to be in the USA and attending a HS for the past 6 months before applying to college?
  • Sunshine10001Sunshine10001 Registered User Posts: 2 New Member
    I'm sorry, I've read this thread and I don't really understand....
    I come from an Asian country, but I left my homeland when I was 10, when my father received a job offer in the Middle East. I've lived in 3 countries since then, and I am currently attending an international school in Europe... would I be compared to my classmates in my homeland? The educational system is really different there...
  • b@r!umb@r!um Registered User Posts: 10,171 Senior Member
    You'll be compared to whomever it makes sense to compare you to.
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