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Choosing US schools, advice needed

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Replies to: Choosing US schools, advice needed

  • b@r!um[email protected]!um Registered User Posts: 10,376 Senior Member
    The fact no one was interested in Ibanking at BrynMawr is related to the type of students there, not to the quality and prospects of the graduates - BMC graduates aren't presumably primarily interested in making lots of money, especially if it's the way traders make it. However if one wanted to intern at prestigious companies, the top women's colleges, broadly construed, would help someone more than NCSU or Indiana, wouldn't you agree on that?
    No, I don't agree. In fact, while I was briefly interested in consulting and finance jobs at Bryn Mawr, several recruiters (who I spoke to at career fairs at other colleges in the Philadelphia area) told me that Bryn Mawr is not on the radar of their companies and they wouldn't even read my application.

    That aside, you called Bryn Mawr a "feeder" school for Wall Street, which implies that Bryn Mawr students do actually get hired at Wall Street. That's what I disagreed with in my earlier post.
    I know you're a former math major with interest in pure math and clearly that's not what I'm advocating for Moscowgirl.
    First, I don't see how this is relevant to anything I said earlier. Second, pure math is the only kind of math that's taught at many liberal arts colleges, so if OP did study math at a liberal arts college, that's likely what she would get. Third, a math minor doesn't go deep enough into the subject to distinguish between pure and applied math (everybody's gotta take multivariable calculus, linear algebra, etc), so if she did end up taking a couple of math courses, the distinction between pure and applied math would be irrelvant for her anyway.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 40,078 Senior Member
    [email protected]!, the fact you're a high-level mathematician does affect how you see math vs. how a college student minoring in math would see it. That's all I meant.
    I actually didn't call BMC a feeder, I said the Seven Sisters and later amended it to "broadly construed" . At this point, I wasn't talking of a specific college.
    (I did mention Bryn Mawr at another point, but it was to say they had the Russian flagship so their Russian dept is strong and well-connected. Considering who hires out of the flagship I don't think either adjective can be disputed. Hence, that it can be beneficial for OP to capitalize on her knowledge of Russian language&culture, not through the flagship for which she's not eligible, but through a couple classes there in addition to an Economics major. Trying to show OP how plentiful opportunities and paths are.)
    I was just trying to show Moscowgirl that many types of studies can lead to jobs in the private sector and that internships play a role in that and can be obtained out of a variety of schools and majors, (NOT jobs or being hired, since OP specifically said she did not intend to work in the US at all), and to me Ibanking was only one case, to say "even for notoriously picky groups such as Wall Street's" - but at no point did OP say that's what she was interested in.
    Essentially, I was giving examples of possibilities outside of business school.
    Thanks for pointing out that even if some BMC students were interested in consulting/finance, they would not be on the radar for Wall Street recruiters, if OP wants to go into Ibanking then she knows not to apply there.
    However I *do* know for a fact that at least some firms recruit at some 7sisters colleges and Wellesley absolutely is on their radar.
    Would you consider the Economics dept at Bryn Mawr good, say, on par with the business school at Austin?
    I'm genuinely curious to know whether in your opinion it's easier to get hired at Wall Street out of Indiana or NCSU. (This is iddle curiosity, not OP's question).
    For the rest, we agree, I think.
    I spoke of a minor, as in, "for Economics, it's good to have a math background a little further than calculus I".
    And to bring it back to Moscowgirl's post: my main point is that to work in business a business degree is not necessary :)
  • MoscowGirlMoscowGirl Registered User Posts: 14 New Member
    @MYOS1634 @[email protected]!um thanks for elaborating so much on my question!

    Though I think I better state it a little more clearly.

    I know that if I return to Russia with a Bachelor's degree from American university, it will grant me with ample job opportunities. However, I can't predict where they will come from.

    So, what I need is a solid, "broad" education. Actually, I'm very much into social sciences and not a math person at all, though I somehow manage to do well at school. But I also want to make myself marketable, so I am thinking Business or Economics. I never even thought of working for some Wall Street company, but the school's name does matter in my country. For instance, everything that has the word "college" in it would automatically be considered low quality (no matter how absurd it may sound) and would require some explanation.

    So, the question is: considering my scores, grades, sufficient funds, and the need of solid, broad and somewhat "prestigious" education, what schools should I apply to, or what schools should I exclude from the list?
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 40,078 Senior Member
    I'd say definitely add American University, perhaps George Washington University, perhaps even Georgetown since you're full pay; those would carry some prestige in Russia.
    U Rochester (open curriculum = you can study whatever strikes your fancy) is highly ranked but within reach for you. Same thing for Brandeis, Lehigh, Wake Forest, Tulane, but these schools probably aren't very well-known in Russia.
    Would Emory, Rice, or WashU be known? There too, being a full pay international would help but they'd be definite reaches nevertheless.
    Georgia Tech has a rigorous stem program but they're very good for eco/business/economic policy. Not very "broad" though.
    Penn State - apply for Smeal if you want to, but most of all Shreyer's Honors College.
    Also: UCSD, UCI, UWA

    Even if you're not a math person, if you just take the bare requirement of 1 calculus class and 1 statistics class, it won't really be enough to be marketable (especially since you've probably taken calculus I in high school already). I'd say you'd need an absolute minimum of calc 1 and 2 + intermediate statistics and possibly some form of econometrics, quantitative economics, etc.

    It's too bad about "college" - I know the problem, it comes from British English where it means "high school", not to mention Canada where it means "community college", and not "highly selective school where elites have been sending their children for hundreds of years" so people outside the US don't know a thing about it, especially since they only know about big names for PHD (which may not be the best undergraduate education around overall). Adding to the confusion the fact that in the US "college" can mean "small school", "faculty" (as in "Faculty of Letters"), or "prestigious/selective/elite school for people in the know" ;)
    (The 7sisters would be easy to explain, though: that's where the sisters of the Princeton and Yale boys used to go, where Hilary Clinton went, etc.)

    College of William and Mary has "college" in it, and it's one of the most intellectual schools in the country along with UChicago and Reed, so depending on what you want to study, probably not a good idea.

    Based on your list:
    UT Austin = keep but try to get into one of the Honors Programs
    UC Berkeley = keep. I believe the 1st two years are liberal arts/ basic requirements in calc, stats, economics, before you can apply to Haas.
    IU Bloomington = keep. beautiful campus, good school, match/safety for you as a full pay
    UNC Chapel Hill = keep
    UVa = keep
    Wake Forest University = could go either way, if you like it, why not
    NCS Raleigh = wouldn't recommend keeping. I already suggested UNCA or UNCW, which would carry the prestige of "UNC" and wouldn't be as "technical" as NCSU is, all while fulfilling its role as safety just as well.
    College of William and Mary = depends on what you want.
    UMich Ann Arbor = keep
  • MoscowGirlMoscowGirl Registered User Posts: 14 New Member
    @MYOS1634 Yes, Emory, Rice and WashU would definitely be known among employers. I will only apply to Emory, though, because I don't think it makes much sense to apply to three of them, provided these schools are all extremely selective and high reaches.

    BTW, I think I managed to correct my list (finally!). Among other things, I eliminated W&M and NCS Raleigh, and added a few schools you suggested. Thank you so much for your advice! It's been truly invaluable.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 40,078 Senior Member
    Hi MoscowGirl, this may be of interest to you:
    Business Honors Program | McCombs School of Business
  • b@r!um[email protected]!um Registered User Posts: 10,376 Senior Member
    Would you consider the Economics dept at Bryn Mawr good, say, on par with the business school at Austin?
    No, I don't think very highly of the economics department at Bryn Mawr.
    I'm genuinely curious to know whether in your opinion it's easier to get hired at Wall Street out of Indiana or NCSU. (This is idle curiosity, not OP's question).
    I have no opinion on Indiana vs NCSU for Wall Street jobs.
  • MoscowGirlMoscowGirl Registered User Posts: 14 New Member
    @MYOS1634 Thank you for bothering to remind me of the deadline! However, I researched BHP and LAHP (I chose Economics as a first choice major BTW) and realized I would not manage to submit all the required stuff on time :( But I guess in my case it's more important to practice for the upcoming SAT.
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 40,078 Senior Member
    That was just an opportunity for you at UT Austin since you seem to like it. Look into their Honors programs regardless.

    Good luck for the SAT!
  • MoscowGirlMoscowGirl Registered User Posts: 14 New Member
    Thank you! I really need it.
  • MoscowGirlMoscowGirl Registered User Posts: 14 New Member
    I still can't believe it, but I just got my acceptance letter. I am in Duke!
  • MYOS1634MYOS1634 Registered User Posts: 40,078 Senior Member
    Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • MoscowGirlMoscowGirl Registered User Posts: 14 New Member
    Haha thank you! Yeah, can't believe how lucky I am :) August just can't come soon enough
  • katliamomkatliamom Registered User Posts: 12,549 Senior Member
    It will be a fabulous experience, MoscowGirl! Don't forget to check in with us to tell us how you like it, what surprised you, what irritates you :) And yes, major congratulations.
  • MoscowGirlMoscowGirl Registered User Posts: 14 New Member
    katliamom, thanks! I will surely post something about Duke if I'm not overwhelmed by the curriculum :D

    So, my dec SAT results came in today: 2260 (CR770, M770, W720). I'm so glad! Guess I'm going to send them to Duke now.
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