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T20 Comparison- Ivy League 8 vs 12 Non-Ivy Schools

RiversiderRiversider 866 replies103 threads Member
This question has limited value as every college is unique but when it comes to Top 20 colleges, there are commonalities as well. Are there any clear differences between Ivies and non-Ivies?
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  • DadTwoGirlsDadTwoGirls 5604 replies1 threads Senior Member
    I agree with @TiggerDad. I might add that there are big differences between say Stanford versus MIT, or either of the above versus Chicago.

    To me the biggest difference would be in computer science and engineering, where most of the strongest schools are not in the Ivy League. However, if I were not majoring in computer science or engineering I would not care about this.

    In fact I majored in math, where the difference between "all Ivy League schools" versus "top 8 non-Ivy schools" is meaningless, but the difference between individual schools is significant. Of the top 6 schools for math in the last ranking that I looked at, 2 are in the Ivy League, two are in the US but not in the Ivy League, and 2 are in the UK. Of course the next ranking might show things differently.

    I think that if you want to apply to a top 20 school, then you need to look at each school individually, and figure out which schools make sense for you.
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  • makemesmartmakemesmart 1590 replies14 threads Senior Member
    The IVYs are all in the north east coast, all private (Cornell might be the odd one out here), and imho, some of the IVYs have benefited tremendously from a historic coincidence (an athletic league) for a long time.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 78557 replies695 threads Senior Member
    edited October 10
    The Ivy League is an NCAA Division I FCS conference.

    Are any of the other USNWR top 20 schools in NCAA Division I FCS conferences? Seems like there are 6 in NCAA Division I FBS conferences (or independent) and 6 in NCAA Division III conferences.
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  • makemesmartmakemesmart 1590 replies14 threads Senior Member
    We have consensus on the IVYs, do we have the consensus on the other top 12? @ucbalumnus 😋
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 78557 replies695 threads Senior Member
    It looks like for the other twelve, none is in the same NCAA conference as any other.
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  • makemesmartmakemesmart 1590 replies14 threads Senior Member
    Which 12 are you talking about? Which ranking do you use? @ucbalumnus
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  • TiggerDadTiggerDad 1934 replies71 threads Senior Member
  • sushirittosushiritto 4130 replies12 threads Senior Member
    edited October 10
    Are any of the other USNWR top 20 schools in NCAA Division I FCS conferences?

    Stanford, UCLA (Pac 12), Duke (ACC) and while not in a conference for football, ND (ACC).
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  • privatebankerprivatebanker 5334 replies77 threads Senior Member
    edited October 10
    Large endowments for the most part. Long histories. Large alumni base with deep pockets. Excellent resources and academics. Smart undergrads. Pretty campuses.

    Add another 100 schools and the traits don’t change a whole bunch.
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  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone 23238 replies17 threads Senior Member

    "Stanford, UCLA (Pac 12) and while not in a conference for football, ND."

    And Cal.^

    Duke, Virginia, UNC play in the same conference

    JHU and Michigan are both in the big 10 for lacrosse(and Northwestern for wome's lax)...

    I don't know what the other 12 schools are for the top 20...

    Do they have 'things' in common? Sure. Some are very good in medicine and health care, several are the same size for undergrad and have large grad schools, some are in the same states or regions, but all are unique in waht they offer.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 4130 replies12 threads Senior Member
    edited October 10
    What ranking are we using? I'm using USNWR T20.

    Cal is not in the USNWR Top 20. They're currently sitting at #22. Neither is UVa, and UMich. And no one cares about LAX. :lol:

    I mentioned Duke above.
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  • northwestynorthwesty 3540 replies9 threads Senior Member
    Pretty broad question, since you could sort schools by size, geography, urban/suburban/rural location, weather and a ton of other factors.

    And some T20 schools are pretty different and distinctive. MIT and Caltech are pretty unique in the T20. So is Dartmouth, which is more comparable to LACs like Willams or Middlebury.

    But you could lump Stanford, Duke, NW, Vandy, ND together if you wanted. All mid-size privates, high academics, urban/suburban location, Power 5 FBS sports.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 4130 replies12 threads Senior Member
    Crud, I forgot about Northwestern and Vandy. :disappointed:
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  • merc81merc81 10496 replies160 threads Senior Member
    edited October 10
    U.S. News doesn't publish an inclusive top-20 ranking, of course. Based on the point of reference of Ivy League colleges established by the OP, however, this thread's intended T-20 schools appear to be limited to USN's National Universities category.

    https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
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  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone 23238 replies17 threads Senior Member
    And no one cares about LAX

    Except Yale. And Duke. And JHU.
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  • merc81merc81 10496 replies160 threads Senior Member
    edited October 10
    And no one cares about LAX

    Except Yale. And Duke. And JHU.

    We could add some strong women's programs: Northwestern, Princeton, Notre Dame, Penn, Dartmouth . . .
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 78557 replies695 threads Senior Member
    sushiritto wrote: »
    Are any of the other USNWR top 20 schools in NCAA Division I FCS conferences?

    Stanford, UCLA (Pac 12), Duke (ACC) and while not in a conference for football, ND (ACC).

    Those are all in NCAA Division I FBS (not FCS like the Ivy League).
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