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Real Scoop on Loyola

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Replies to: Real Scoop on Loyola

  • yankeesgirlyankeesgirl Registered User Posts: 163 Junior Member
    brian6u- thank you and i know that there is drinking at every college, but this just isn't college. freshman shouldn't have to go to bars. if there were even house parties or frats, i could at least socialize without having to pay and get a fake id. it's much different at other schools where drinking doesn't require a cab ride ya know.

    alfmom- i live in the freshman dorm and i like it a lot. its closer to where classes are and it's closer to boulder to eat. however having an apt is nice because you can cook and you have more room. it's really what your daughter prefers. my best friend has an apt and i'm over there all the time. i like both the same.
  • rbdiazrbdiaz Registered User Posts: 4 New Member
    YankeesGirl - A couple questions about "school spirit" and "dining"

    My son has narrowed it down to Loyola and JMU (St Joe's is an outside possibility). We have visited a couple times, but looking for your perspective on how you would describe the school spirit at Loyola. This appears to be very prevalent at JMU and St Joes, but less evident at LMD. Perhaps it is just the days we happened to be there (Saturdays) were quiet.

    Second question - what is your opinion about the dining options. Boulder is a very nice physical set-up, but wondering how it works out having everything essentially al-a-carte. Also, the seating area seems pretty small.
  • fruttivendolofruttivendolo Registered User Posts: 48 Junior Member
    Thanks for the feedback, yankeesgirl. I really appreciate it. I'm going to visit again (this time on a school day) and try to get a glimpse of the student population. I do understand that you'll find people similar and dissimilar to you everywhere, but it just depends on how big the proportions are. I want a school with a decent amount of down-to-earth, non-preppy people. guh this is very frustrating to gauge. I'm going to visit my top three schools- TCNJ, Scranton, and Loyola- all in the same week, so hopefully that'll give me a better idea.

    I'm not into the drinking thing either, but I fear that situation is going to be as you described at every school. Eh. I'll find a couple of people and spend Fridays watching movies and drinking chocolate milkshakes, wherever I end up.
  • JRZMomJRZMom Registered User Posts: 812 Member
    Fruttivendolo--

    I live near TCNJ & believe me, you will not be finding a lot of super preppy types there.

    Yankeesgirl--my D is in 12th grade & was accepted at Loyola & 3 other schools, waiting to hear from 2 more in a few days. I am really glad I found your post!

    Here are my concerns, not nec in order of importance---

    * The food arrangements, and their costs & social implications. I have been to the dining calculator on Loyola's site and tried to get estimates of what it costs to feed a student who is at L. The calculator asks if you like to drink Starbucks and eat smoothies, and how many times/day you will have these.

    When you do the math, the smoothies come out to $5 each & the Starbuck$ at $4. We are not planning to fund Starbucks & the smoothies place with my daughter's earnings nor, frankly, with ours either, on this declining balance thing.

    All the food is a la carte and full retail restaurant prices. What do you pay for a "real" meal--eg roast chicken or ziti? Are these the $12 a dish items?

    What do dinners cost if you don't get the prepared dinner plates? $6, $8, $10? If you spend less on dinner, does that mean dinner is always going to be a wrap or pizza slice? Where do students get their food if they aren't buying their meals at Boulder & Iggy's?

    * The big question for me --- is there a social divide betwen the kids who are eating every meal at the Sodexo venues, and the students who are cooking their own meals in their dorm room or in the kitchens at O'Connor? If you are cooking your own meals, are you left out of meeting friends, etc? Or left out of making friends, if you are a freshman?

    It seems to me that this set up could lead to a social split between kids from families who are stretching to make college possible, and kids who have been handed everything. That split will turn up anywhere eventually, of course, but in schools that have a dining hall where everyone eats the same food, it at least does not start out from Day One in freshman year.

    Did you find this to be the case, or am I reading too much into the dining arrangements?

    * The calculator seems to be assuming if you buy groceries you will do so at Iggys. I am guessing Iggy's is higher priced than the local supermarkets? Do you know people who are buying their food at local stores, and are they actually cooking it from scratch in the dorm kitchens or are they getting Stouffer's and using the microwave? If you cook your own food are you considered a dork?

    * The social scene as you describe it---my D does not drink either. Are you really saying there is nothing else to do?

    My oldest D was applying to Princeton years ago, visited it (they are very near us) and came back all upset because the kid on the tour had been saying Princeton was a great school; HE started drinking every Thursday & did not stop until Sun.

    That ruined Princeton for her; she tore up her application. However---Princeton has plenty of kids majoring in engineering & other subjects in which they had best not be drinking from Thurs-Sun or they will not get through the first half of freshman year.

    Princeton and every other school has a drinking problem---there are kids at every school who are away from home and doing stupid things. If this is the only thing you focus on when looking at or attending college, you'd better go to BYU --- and I bet they are drinking on the sly there.

    So, are there NO other students who don't drink, at Loyola? Or did you get the bad luck to be thrown in with a bunch of sots in your dorm, classes, etc and you haven't found the non drinkers yet?

    If my D does go there, she will add to the nondrinking population by one, but she'll miss you, I guess. Where are you thinking of transferring?

    Thanks for posting & I am going to have some other questions for you. Good luck!
  • yankeesgirlyankeesgirl Registered User Posts: 163 Junior Member
    rbdiaz- there is school spirit, but only for a couple sporting events. a lot of people go to the lacrosse games and some people go to the basketball games, but we are lacking in the school spirit department. i wish we had a football team, then it would be fun. people love the loyola name though and they are proud to wear it and be a greyhound so that's good. the food gets old really quickly, but then again i'm really picky. it sucks that it opens at 9 and closes at 9. the food is okay. i'm sick of it. a lot of people go to iggys across campus or just order food. once you have an apartment you can cook dinner which is good. as for the seating, there are certain times of day where there are a ton of people in boulder 12-2 but you just have to avoid it at those times if you can. there is seating by the chinese food and outside when it's nice out.

    fruttivendolo- good luck with finding a school! there are some down to earth cool kids at loyola you just need to look extra hard. i wish you the best of luck :D

    JRZMom- the food here is expensive. mozzarella sticks are like 7 dollars which is ridiculous while a grilled cheese with fries is like 5. it's absurd. if you go to iggys and get meals i think its 7 dollars which can be ziti or chicken with two sides. the food here is ehh. its just really expensive which sucks. kids can cook food in their apartments or order food. some people will take the free collegetown shuttle into the harbor or the mall to get a good dinner, because you need that every now and then. as for the social scene loyola does offer things to do, but it gets old. options which is the alternative to drinking club on campus offers things a few times a month. they are really fun. but the majority of kids go to bars, which is annoying. i personally don't want to spend 100 dollars on getting a fake id, spending money for a cab there, maybe buying drinks, then paying for a cab back. i don't think that is fun and i don't like drinking anyway. you can go to the mall or the harbor but it gets old. there are other kids on campus who don't drink, you just have to find them. i found my best friend and we don't drink. we've actually gone to museums, to the harbor, the mall, and just roamed around campus. the campus is small but we try our best to find new hidden places or something baha we're weird. i am thinking of transferring to a school in california or even oklahoma. to be honest i don't know where i want to go to school. loyola is just not the fit i thought it would be for me.
  • fruttivendolofruttivendolo Registered User Posts: 48 Junior Member
    JRZMom, thanks for the info on TCNJ. I'm going for an overnight soon, so we'll have to see how that goes!

    I think your daughter and I have a lot in common. I'm also more into Chucks and jeans (I believe you mentioned this on another thread). I don't begrudge someone a nice bag or a pair of Uggs, and you're certainly going to find that everywhere, but I do worry when everyone on a campus is identical. Says something about the students themselves. And you bring up a good point about a potential economic divide, I hadn't even thought of that. There's a high school in my area that tends to be that way. I applied there in eighth grade, and I was invited to a short, seemingly informal info session in the school's library on a school night. My mom and I wore jeans and nice shirts, but all of the kids and parents were wearing suits and dresses/skirts. We didn't fit in at all, and I knew I couldn't go there. I don't want to feel that way in college.
  • JRZMomJRZMom Registered User Posts: 812 Member
    frutti--I would not worry about parents wearing suits/dresses at a high school evening event---many of them probably went there after work without changing. We do it all the time. It's the kids.....
  • fruttivendolofruttivendolo Registered User Posts: 48 Junior Member
    JRZMom, I didn't judge just based on the parents. As you said, it would make complete sense for people to be coming after work. That wasn't my worry. It was more the overall effect of parents AND kids dressed like that. And it wasn't just that. This is the kind of school where you literally see girls shrug and say, "Whatever, I'll buy a new one" when they spill something and ruin their Coach purses. True story. So seeing all of these applicants in fancy clothes was just the last thing in a long string of turn-offs for me.
  • JRZMomJRZMom Registered User Posts: 812 Member
    Frutti--I saw that "whatever" stuff, too, at the school I swent to for freshman year (transferred elsewhere) and my oldest D saw it at Brown in the late 90s-early 00s.

    She told me, she had friends who were flabbergasted that she was upset if she broke or lost something. "Have your parents buy you a new one" they would say. She told me she had to explain to them that her parents were not *going* to buy her a new one.

    She also told me about girls at Brown who would wear very expensive dress shoes in pouring rain, then take them off when ruined & throw them in the trash can in the dorm. I saw the same thing at the place I went to for freshman year.

    Brown at least is large enough that there are plenty of people who don't come from that kind of family, and who don't wreck their clothes/stuff & think Mummy & Papa should replace.
  • loystudentloystudent Registered User Posts: 5 New Member
    I posted this on another thread but I think it would be more appropriate here.

    I am currently a sophomore (male) at Loyola. I will try to answer your questions based on my experiences here so far. First and foremost, I love Loyola and can't picture myself anywhere else. I personally do drink and I tend to go out on Th, Fri, Sat, as I have no class on Friday. A lot of people on this board seem to be concerned with cliques, clothing, and the bar school label so I will try to address these questions.

    From my experience, I would not consider Loyola to be a cliquey environment however students tend to make friends with the others students in the residents hall during the first few months at school. These small groups of friends generally end up rooming together as sophomores the following year. While this may seem cliquey at first glance I personally wouldn't label my group of friends at a clique. The norm here is that this close-knit group of friends are the ones who you will spend a majority of your time with. If you are going to go off campus you will most likely be sharing a cab with these people. Outside of these friends I would say there is a second level of friendship. At this level you typically meet in class, at clubs, at bars, or at other events. These secondary groups eventually all become friends or at least friendly enough to the point where your groups will hang out together, go out off campus together, and perhaps even try to live in the same building/on the same floor the following year. This does not seem to be a unique phenomena to Loyola as most college students have a close circle of friends and a secondary circle of friends.

    Clothing for guys is very varied. There tends to be the "preppy" dressed guys wearing polos and oxfords with pastel colored shorts and jeans. I personally wear whatever I'm feeling like that particular day. I dress up once in a while but my standard outfit is t-shirt and khaki shorts when its warm and sweatshirt and jeans when its colder.

    Girls have a reputation on these college sites as extremely rich and preppy. This is true, to a degree. Uggs are definitely popular. Some girls wear designer jeans some don't, to be honest the guys could never tell the difference. In the spring girls frequently wear sun-dresses. Girls who don't dress like this are not shunned by any means. The carbon copy comment I read about the girls all looking like each other is not accurate. No ones here is going to not be friends with you because you're not wearing the newest fashion. There are plenty of girls who dress in a short of hipster way. As far as dressing up for class girls tend to dress up more than guys. Where guys are perfectly comfortable wearing pajama pants/sweatpants and a sweat shirt. Girls typically will at least be in jeans and a sweatshirt, of course everyone has days where there not feeling well or are running late.

    The bar school label very accurately describes Loyola night life. On any given night there will be students out at the bars. Since there are no Sororities or Fraternities house parties are few and far between. Many seniors will have an off campus house and as your years at Loyola go on you will attend more parties at off campus houses. My freshman year I probably only attended 5 off campus parties. Fake ID's are necessary for those who are looking to go out to the bars to either drink or socialize there. Not everyone who goes out to the bars drink and for those who do drink not everyone gets drunk, however, there are plenty of people who do go out to the bars to get really drunk. Before heading out to the bars students will pregame in their dorm rooms or the dorm rooms of friends. This is to eliminate spending a lot of money on drinks at the bar. The campus is strict on drinking in the dorms in that if you are loud and obvious you will get caught, be fined, and have to attend alcohol edu classes. Mostly though as long as you are not rowdy there students have no problem avoiding this. Drugs on the other hand are much more of a no-no, if you are caught smoking pot, you will most likely be suspended or expelled.

    Besides drinking there are plenty of other activities to do on and off campus. As a previous poster mentioned there is a club called Options that sponsors events that are alcohol free. Some of this years events included a trip to an amusement park, white water rafting, a dance, laser tag, snow tubing, among many others. There are also many concert venues that have shows on the weekends. The Towson movie theater is 10 minutes away from campus, the mall is 15 minutes away. A lot of students who don't drink go down town to the inner harbor to go to restaurants, museums, and other things.

    There are a lot of students who come from wealthy backgrounds but other than their cars you would never know it. No one really flaunts their wealth and if they do its very infrequent and typically unintentional. It would be really hard to pick out the above average wealthy students from the students who have significant need based financial aide. A lot of students also get jobs on campus so doing a work study program is nothing to be ashamed of because no one will know/care.

    Sporting events are a fun place to hang out and socialize. The most popular sport is Men's Lacrosse and the Saturday home games at the new stadium draw a large student crowd. Soccer games are also popular in the fall but not as popular as lacrosse. Unfortunately, the basketball team has not had too much success in recent years and as a result the games typically have poor attendance (which is a shame because they are a great time). Also in the early fall and at the end of the spring going to the Orioles games at Camden Yards is a great time. Student tickets are typically $5 and the attendance at the games are usually not very good allowing you to move to better seats. I personally paid $3 dollars for student tickets to a Yankees game and moved up to the first row on the first base side. This would be unheard of at Yankee Stadium, where those tickets could be in the hundreds of dollars range.

    My favorite things about Loyola would be the beautiful campus, the amazing resident halls, small and intimate class rooms, the FAC which is the gym (Michael Phelps practices here), and going out to the bars.

    My least favorite things about Loyola would be the fact that if you want to go off campus you have to pay for a cab (they offer a collegetown shuttle to the other universities, mall, and inner harbor, but it can be unreliable at times), the food gets repetitive after a few months, and books are very expensive (I've probably paid $3500-$4000 for my four semesters here.

    If you have any other questions please ask and I will try to get back on here and give an honest answer.
  • christine88christine88 Registered User Posts: 1 New Member
    Is it difficult to get a fake id? to people often get caught?
  • JRZMomJRZMom Registered User Posts: 812 Member
    And, the Orioles are having a great year so far!
  • JRZMomJRZMom Registered User Posts: 812 Member
    loystudent-

    You said the books can get expensive---what is your major (ie are you using those really expensive science texts) and have you been able to use Amazon to get used ones?
  • loystudentloystudent Registered User Posts: 5 New Member
    fake ids are simple enough to get people either get them before they come down from big cities like NYC or philly or from an older friend/sibling. Lots of freshman will find them once they get down here by asking around.

    @JRZmom im an accounting major and I have gone the amazon route and it was cheaper but one of my books never came which was frustrating. This past semester the price difference between the book store and amazon was not significant enough for me to give up the convenience of picking up my books at the school store. I know kids who have saved alot using other websites or even renting them but my savings haven't been as much. It really depends on the text book and how early you find out what books you will be required to have.
  • MomOfOnlyOneMomOfOnlyOne Registered User Posts: 6 New Member
    My daughter's books have cost ~ $500 this year (she's a freshman) - $230 of that was for a language course and the bookstore was the ONLY place to find it; the rest we got on half.com or biblio.com (used) and have been very happy with them.
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